Comments on: Can Creative Commons and Commercial Aggregators learn to play nice? http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2006/07/21/can-creative-commons-and-commercial-aggregators-learn-to-play-nice/ EthanZ's musings on Africa, media and international development Wed, 08 Feb 2012 20:45:31 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Mike Linksvayer » Commercial use outrage! http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2006/07/21/can-creative-commons-and-commercial-aggregators-learn-to-play-nice/comment-page-1/#comment-150448 Mike Linksvayer » Commercial use outrage! Wed, 14 Feb 2007 01:13:25 +0000 http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/?p=900#comment-150448 [...] Seth Godin and those who worry about republishing of (freely licensed) bloggy material, please watch this video by Lucas Gonze. [...] [...] Seth Godin and those who worry about republishing of (freely licensed) bloggy material, please watch this video by Lucas Gonze. [...]

]]> By: infobong.com » complex grab bag http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2006/07/21/can-creative-commons-and-commercial-aggregators-learn-to-play-nice/comment-page-1/#comment-49614 infobong.com » complex grab bag Fri, 04 Aug 2006 01:03:18 +0000 http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/?p=900#comment-49614 [...] A week or so ago, Ethan Zuckerman posted an entry discussing aggregator blogs that use whole entries from Creative-Commons-licensed sources. He raises the issue of commercial blogs that take content that’s licensed under share-alike licenses. To use the content, these commercial blogs should also use a Creative Commons license, but, in the case he described, there was no license declaration. He wondered how enforceable these licenses are. [...] [...] A week or so ago, Ethan Zuckerman posted an entry discussing aggregator blogs that use whole entries from Creative-Commons-licensed sources. He raises the issue of commercial blogs that take content that’s licensed under share-alike licenses. To use the content, these commercial blogs should also use a Creative Commons license, but, in the case he described, there was no license declaration. He wondered how enforceable these licenses are. [...]

]]> By: John Palfrey » Blog Archive » Following up on the RSS/Copyright debate http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2006/07/21/can-creative-commons-and-commercial-aggregators-learn-to-play-nice/comment-page-1/#comment-47261 John Palfrey » Blog Archive » Following up on the RSS/Copyright debate Fri, 28 Jul 2006 22:02:15 +0000 http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/?p=900#comment-47261 [...] - I never managed, somehow, to see a very fine reply from Nathan Yergler to a post of my own a few months ago. (I understand that Nathan works for CC in a technical job but was not writing as a CC employee.) His sense is that there is a need for more explicit licensing of citizen-generated content, but that CC licenses (and other things, like full copyright and the public domain) already cover the five variants that I had in mind. It’s a nice argument. I have to think about whether I agree in full, but if he’s right, then we’d need no new licenses, but just a campaign to get people to know about the options and to use them in ways that reflect their desires related to aggregation and re-use of their content. - Ethan Zuckerman had a terrific post, and engendered more discussion, on just this topic. As Ethan writes, “I want to see Creative Commons succeed. I share Larry Lessig’s concern that artists of all sorts need material to enter the public domain so that we can comment, remix, repurpose and create. I release (with very rare exceptions) everything I do under CC in the vague hope that someone else will find it useful. But widespread abuse of content published under CC licenses will make creators - me included - reluctant to release content under them.” [...] [...] – I never managed, somehow, to see a very fine reply from Nathan Yergler to a post of my own a few months ago. (I understand that Nathan works for CC in a technical job but was not writing as a CC employee.) His sense is that there is a need for more explicit licensing of citizen-generated content, but that CC licenses (and other things, like full copyright and the public domain) already cover the five variants that I had in mind. It’s a nice argument. I have to think about whether I agree in full, but if he’s right, then we’d need no new licenses, but just a campaign to get people to know about the options and to use them in ways that reflect their desires related to aggregation and re-use of their content. – Ethan Zuckerman had a terrific post, and engendered more discussion, on just this topic. As Ethan writes, “I want to see Creative Commons succeed. I share Larry Lessig’s concern that artists of all sorts need material to enter the public domain so that we can comment, remix, repurpose and create. I release (with very rare exceptions) everything I do under CC in the vague hope that someone else will find it useful. But widespread abuse of content published under CC licenses will make creators – me included – reluctant to release content under them.” [...]

]]> By: Ethan http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2006/07/21/can-creative-commons-and-commercial-aggregators-learn-to-play-nice/comment-page-1/#comment-45188 Ethan Tue, 25 Jul 2006 02:15:56 +0000 http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/?p=900#comment-45188 Really happy my observations were helpful for you, Bryce. I think people will be a lot more enthusiastic about participating in the network if it's solely opt-in. Good luck figuring out whether ads can work in a revenue sharing model, and thanks for listening to my observations and concerns. Really happy my observations were helpful for you, Bryce. I think people will be a lot more enthusiastic about participating in the network if it’s solely opt-in. Good luck figuring out whether ads can work in a revenue sharing model, and thanks for listening to my observations and concerns.

]]> By: Bryce http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2006/07/21/can-creative-commons-and-commercial-aggregators-learn-to-play-nice/comment-page-1/#comment-44953 Bryce Mon, 24 Jul 2006 00:25:21 +0000 http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/?p=900#comment-44953 Man, I commented yesterday. It didn't go through. All well, the short version then... All ads are gone... All non permission based feeds gone... I thank you all for the enlightenment, and I hope to see you down the road sometime... Thanks for your time Bryce Man, I commented yesterday. It didn’t go through. All well, the short version then…

All ads are gone…
All non permission based feeds gone…
I thank you all for the enlightenment, and I hope to see you down the road sometime…

Thanks for your time

Bryce

]]> By: infobong.com » links for 2006-07-22 http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2006/07/21/can-creative-commons-and-commercial-aggregators-learn-to-play-nice/comment-page-1/#comment-43521 infobong.com » links for 2006-07-22 Sat, 22 Jul 2006 19:25:11 +0000 http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/?p=900#comment-43521 [...] Can Creative Commons and Commercial Aggregators learn to play nice? Ethan Zuckerman raises some important questions about enforcing Creative Commons licenses, particularly the Share-Alike licenses. (tags: copyright intellectualproperty blog freeculture CreativeCommons) [...] [...] Can Creative Commons and Commercial Aggregators learn to play nice? Ethan Zuckerman raises some important questions about enforcing Creative Commons licenses, particularly the Share-Alike licenses. (tags: copyright intellectualproperty blog freeculture CreativeCommons) [...]

]]> By: Ethan http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2006/07/21/can-creative-commons-and-commercial-aggregators-learn-to-play-nice/comment-page-1/#comment-43299 Ethan Sat, 22 Jul 2006 02:58:55 +0000 http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/?p=900#comment-43299 Bryce, why not contact the individuals whose content you're using before aggregating it, rather than putting the onus on them to contact you? Or alert them so they can opt out? I don't know what Rebecca's response to the situation will be, but I would not be happy to discover my content was being used in this way. Bryce, why not contact the individuals whose content you’re using before aggregating it, rather than putting the onus on them to contact you? Or alert them so they can opt out? I don’t know what Rebecca’s response to the situation will be, but I would not be happy to discover my content was being used in this way.

]]> By: Bryce http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2006/07/21/can-creative-commons-and-commercial-aggregators-learn-to-play-nice/comment-page-1/#comment-43247 Bryce Fri, 21 Jul 2006 23:59:01 +0000 http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/?p=900#comment-43247 Hi there, I'm sorry you happened to visit the website today, while it is going through some changes. I did have a CC license on their as of yesterday, but it was in conflict with the one I was using with Feedburner, so I eliminated both for the time being. If people are going to use a Creative Commons license, they need to play by the rules they are playing by. If not, then a clear "Copyright by so and so Year so and so" on the website. As you may or may not notice, I use absolutely zero Non-commercial use feeds. I play by the rules as best as I can. I only aggregate the feeds with a "by" or sharealike license. What they write is up to them, and if they are using content that is not thiers, then they are the ones breaking the rules. I (try to) serve as an ethical online being. What's so wrong about Google Ads? If you choose to click them, do so, if not, then don't worry about them. Advertising is what makes the internet live. I'm not paying for a new Cadillac any time soon with mine, so I wouldn't put too much thought into my ads. As far as attribution goes, yes, there is a small glitch right now. For example, the link will be correct, but the author is not. There has only been one in particular that boggles me. Every time it comes up with a different name, all the time. This is not fair to those who write it, and I am working on a fix for it. (Something to do with an RDF to XML to RDF in the code file somewhere, or the actual raw RDF file that does not have the 'Author' line in the schema). Oh, and people who have requested to be removed, I have done so with a thank you, not a mean "Screw you, I'm using your content" response. Everything I am doing is legit, as long as the proper CC license is attached, and I am going to take care of that matter as soon as I submit this. Thanks for your time, Bryce Hi there,

I’m sorry you happened to visit the website today, while it is going through some changes. I did have a CC license on their as of yesterday, but it was in conflict with the one I was using with Feedburner, so I eliminated both for the time being.

If people are going to use a Creative Commons license, they need to play by the rules they are playing by. If not, then a clear “Copyright by so and so Year so and so” on the website. As you may or may not notice, I use absolutely zero Non-commercial use feeds. I play by the rules as best as I can. I only aggregate the feeds with a “by” or sharealike license. What they write is up to them, and if they are using content that is not thiers, then they are the ones breaking the rules.

I (try to) serve as an ethical online being. What’s so wrong about Google Ads? If you choose to click them, do so, if not, then don’t worry about them.
Advertising is what makes the internet live. I’m not paying for a new Cadillac any time soon with mine, so I wouldn’t put too much thought into my ads.

As far as attribution goes, yes, there is a small glitch right now. For example, the link will be correct, but the author is not. There has only been one in particular that boggles me. Every time it comes up with a different name, all the time. This is not fair to those who write it, and I am working on a fix for it. (Something to do with an RDF to XML to RDF in the code file somewhere, or the actual raw RDF file that does not have the ‘Author’ line in the schema).

Oh, and people who have requested to be removed, I have done so with a thank you, not a mean “Screw you, I’m using your content” response.

Everything I am doing is legit, as long as the proper CC license is attached, and I am going to take care of that matter as soon as I submit this.

Thanks for your time,
Bryce

]]> By: Jonathan Bailey http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2006/07/21/can-creative-commons-and-commercial-aggregators-learn-to-play-nice/comment-page-1/#comment-43213 Jonathan Bailey Fri, 21 Jul 2006 22:05:29 +0000 http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/?p=900#comment-43213 The issue is a tough one and, even after talking with lawyers familiar with CC licenses, I've found that there is no way to embrace the spirit of the CC license with a CC license. The problem is pretty simple. There's no way to write a simple, easy to understand license that can encompass all uses that are both within the spit of reuse and outside of it. There's just no "human readable" way to do that. I haven't become disillusioned with the CC license, I still use it on aall of my sites, but I am more leery of it, especially after stepping into the blogging world and seeing abuses like yours. However, the non-commercial license was designed to prevent all for-profit publication. Theoretically, any one of the copyright holders could filie a complaint against that site and have the content removed. That is, if they find out about it... The issue is a tough one and, even after talking with lawyers familiar with CC licenses, I’ve found that there is no way to embrace the spirit of the CC license with a CC license.

The problem is pretty simple. There’s no way to write a simple, easy to understand license that can encompass all uses that are both within the spit of reuse and outside of it. There’s just no “human readable” way to do that.

I haven’t become disillusioned with the CC license, I still use it on aall of my sites, but I am more leery of it, especially after stepping into the blogging world and seeing abuses like yours.

However, the non-commercial license was designed to prevent all for-profit publication. Theoretically, any one of the copyright holders could filie a complaint against that site and have the content removed.

That is, if they find out about it…

]]> By: Mike Linksvayer http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2006/07/21/can-creative-commons-and-commercial-aggregators-learn-to-play-nice/comment-page-1/#comment-43183 Mike Linksvayer Fri, 21 Jul 2006 20:37:26 +0000 http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/?p=900#comment-43183 I forgot, Nathan Yergler, who also works for CC in a technical capacity but was not speaking for CC and is not a lawyer, etc., wrote a <a href="http://yergler.net/blog/2006/03/18/licenses-for-blogs/" rel="nofollow">good response to Palfrey's blog licenses idea</a>. I forgot, Nathan Yergler, who also works for CC in a technical capacity but was not speaking for CC and is not a lawyer, etc., wrote a good response to Palfrey’s blog licenses idea.

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