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		<title>By: Foreign Reporting: Lessons Taught, Lessons Learned &#171; Jordan Ink.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Foreign Reporting: Lessons Taught, Lessons Learned &#171; Jordan Ink.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] are not tolerated, such as Iran. Some, though, go one step further. As Global Voices co-founder Ethan Zuckerman wrote in 2007, “local and expatriate bloggers capable of offering views and perspectives on local [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Patti McCracken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patti McCracken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 18:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back in the day--oh, say, three years ago--When someone wrote a Letter to the Editor, or an opinion or postcard piece that went into the Perspectivesection, no one ever considered them a journalist. So why has that changed? 

You give someone a box of bandaids--that doesn&#039;t make them a doctor.

Yet, when we complain and shout that we&#039;re worried about the state of journalism and the role it plays in a free society, we&#039;re being seen as elitist. It would seem that skills and instincts honed over the years--either in school or the newsroom, or under the tutelage of a good editor(s)--means nothing.

Robert Ruby can&#039;t sit in his Baltimore newsroom and think &quot;oh, wait.. isn&#039;t there a backpacker in Armenia who would have some interesting insight? Maybe I&#039;ll call on them.&quot; Or even a local so-called &quot;citizen journalist&quot; ... in either of these cases: he has no idea who this person is, what their agenda is, how they are going about getting their information, who their sources are, how they got their sources, how reliable the facts are (if they&#039;re even facts), what sort of conflicts of interests the person might be stirring up for any number of reasons. If I were an editor and was told I had to rely on citizen journalists as a form of reliable information, I&#039;d jump from the highest window (which is, of course, not fact, but hyperbole, but since no one is checking facts...)

Regarding wire services--I&#039;d assume that Carroll&#039;s position there is that reliance on a wire service is a given, but it&#039;s not enough--which is where her &quot;make it local&quot; point comes into play.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back in the day&#8211;oh, say, three years ago&#8211;When someone wrote a Letter to the Editor, or an opinion or postcard piece that went into the Perspectivesection, no one ever considered them a journalist. So why has that changed? </p>
<p>You give someone a box of bandaids&#8211;that doesn&#8217;t make them a doctor.</p>
<p>Yet, when we complain and shout that we&#8217;re worried about the state of journalism and the role it plays in a free society, we&#8217;re being seen as elitist. It would seem that skills and instincts honed over the years&#8211;either in school or the newsroom, or under the tutelage of a good editor(s)&#8211;means nothing.</p>
<p>Robert Ruby can&#8217;t sit in his Baltimore newsroom and think &#8220;oh, wait.. isn&#8217;t there a backpacker in Armenia who would have some interesting insight? Maybe I&#8217;ll call on them.&#8221; Or even a local so-called &#8220;citizen journalist&#8221; &#8230; in either of these cases: he has no idea who this person is, what their agenda is, how they are going about getting their information, who their sources are, how they got their sources, how reliable the facts are (if they&#8217;re even facts), what sort of conflicts of interests the person might be stirring up for any number of reasons. If I were an editor and was told I had to rely on citizen journalists as a form of reliable information, I&#8217;d jump from the highest window (which is, of course, not fact, but hyperbole, but since no one is checking facts&#8230;)</p>
<p>Regarding wire services&#8211;I&#8217;d assume that Carroll&#8217;s position there is that reliance on a wire service is a given, but it&#8217;s not enough&#8211;which is where her &#8220;make it local&#8221; point comes into play.</p>
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		<title>By: &#8230;My heart&#8217;s in Accra &#187; Polymeme and distributed agenda-setting</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8230;My heart&#8217;s in Accra &#187; Polymeme and distributed agenda-setting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 23:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] whether citizen media could help fill the gaps in international media coverage resulting from cuts in foreign bureaus and a percieved lack of audience interest in international [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Geoff Says</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff Says</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 08:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmmm, I think that certain audiences often need a lot of interpretation and contextualisation to understand certain news developments that occur abroad. it is my opinion, that for this to be done correctly the messenger/ foreign correspondent needs to understand the culture where he reports from as much as where he writes for - as mentioned in the above article, understanding your audience is of much importance indeed. a local reported story will therefore often also be written in a completely differet way, however, it is the correspondent job to also screen the local news as it might still contain important news for the home audience. point, and difficulty of course is to maintain a high degree of &#039;objectivity&#039; on the sliding scale, in this all, as to the readers/ viewers/ listeners an decide for themselves... and i am not refering to fox tv by that</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmmm, I think that certain audiences often need a lot of interpretation and contextualisation to understand certain news developments that occur abroad. it is my opinion, that for this to be done correctly the messenger/ foreign correspondent needs to understand the culture where he reports from as much as where he writes for &#8211; as mentioned in the above article, understanding your audience is of much importance indeed. a local reported story will therefore often also be written in a completely differet way, however, it is the correspondent job to also screen the local news as it might still contain important news for the home audience. point, and difficulty of course is to maintain a high degree of &#8216;objectivity&#8217; on the sliding scale, in this all, as to the readers/ viewers/ listeners an decide for themselves&#8230; and i am not refering to fox tv by that</p>
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		<title>By: Dax</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 04:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Age 29, I&#039;ve been accepted to study postgrad journalism at American Univ. of Cairo, as well as Nebrija Univ. in Madrid, Spain.  But &#039;fear&#039; is if postgrad is truly necessary or need I focus more on VIP contacts/referrals?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Age 29, I&#8217;ve been accepted to study postgrad journalism at American Univ. of Cairo, as well as Nebrija Univ. in Madrid, Spain.  But &#8216;fear&#8217; is if postgrad is truly necessary or need I focus more on VIP contacts/referrals?</p>
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		<title>By: Dax</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 04:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lack of interest with a career in Hollywood Entertainment, and with much experience overseas [London, Australia, Argentina, other], I am considering to pursue international affairs.  Advice how to find entry-level work? Recommendations?  My heart is in Latin America +Spain, Africa, and other non-english speaking. ADVICE IS HELPFUL, And Admired</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lack of interest with a career in Hollywood Entertainment, and with much experience overseas [London, Australia, Argentina, other], I am considering to pursue international affairs.  Advice how to find entry-level work? Recommendations?  My heart is in Latin America +Spain, Africa, and other non-english speaking. ADVICE IS HELPFUL, And Admired</p>
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		<title>By: El Oso &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Death of Newspapers. The Transparency of Editing</title>
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		<dc:creator>El Oso &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Death of Newspapers. The Transparency of Editing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 20:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] exponentially. Her paper inspired commentary from all the usual places: Rebecca Mackinnon, Ethan Zuckerman, Foreign Policy, Open Source Radio, From the Frontline, and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: &#8230;My heart&#8217;s in Accra &#187; 300 foreign correspondents overseas. And 3,000 in Washington DC?</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8230;My heart&#8217;s in Accra &#187; 300 foreign correspondents overseas. And 3,000 in Washington DC?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 00:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I&#8217;ve been thinking a lot about foreign correspondents and the need for reporting from other nations since writing about Jill Carroll&#8217;s paper a few days back. I had a stimulating conversation with Brendan Greeley, producer for Radio Open Source, on the topic, and wish I weren&#8217;t on an airplane tonight while that show is airing. Having tea with my friend Abe McLaughlin this afternoon, he mentioned that, of the two hundred fifty foreign correspondents, one hundred are employed by the Wall Street Journal. I wondered about the geographical distribution of that hundred and the other reporters - would we find a huge concentration of journalists in Iraq and Israel? Would we find any in Africa other than in Cairo and Jo&#8217;burg? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I&#8217;ve been thinking a lot about foreign correspondents and the need for reporting from other nations since writing about Jill Carroll&#8217;s paper a few days back. I had a stimulating conversation with Brendan Greeley, producer for Radio Open Source, on the topic, and wish I weren&#8217;t on an airplane tonight while that show is airing. Having tea with my friend Abe McLaughlin this afternoon, he mentioned that, of the two hundred fifty foreign correspondents, one hundred are employed by the Wall Street Journal. I wondered about the geographical distribution of that hundred and the other reporters &#8211; would we find a huge concentration of journalists in Iraq and Israel? Would we find any in Africa other than in Cairo and Jo&#8217;burg? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Reilly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Reilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 23:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting to see Al Jazeera in the automated posts. It is one I would add to your list regarding news services that supply overseas news. The bulk of key AJ journalists and editors were trained at the BBC and Reuters among others. In reading the English language output (they started an English-language 24-hour TV channel in the last quarter of 2006), it looks a lot like the objective journalism I was trained to do at Reuters. A quick story on that: 
When I joined them from AP in the Vietnam era, I  blithely wrote a story on my first day from the day&#039;s war reports using terms that were commonly used at the (very American) AP, using references to &quot;communist guerillas&quot; and &quot;the enemy.&quot; 
A Reuters editor tossed the story back saying I should identify each side by name, in this case using &quot;Viet Cong&quot; and/or &quot;North Vietnamese.&quot; At Reuters, he explained, there is no enemy.

Not a lesson easily forgotten, and one which demonstrates the fact that objective reporting is a sought after goal at serious news organmizations. (Yes, they fail, but at least they try)

Organizations like AFP, Reuters, the AP and Al Jazeera  are doing the overseas reporting and they do it for an English speaking audience -- not for a government or a belief set. There are, in fact, more highlky trained reporters on the ground for these agencies than ever in their history. So why isn&#039;t it a part of every American&#039;s daily information meal? 

Americans have full access to these sources of foreign news reporting and can use it individually via the net. For editors, it can be selected (at a cost) for use in their newspapers. It is a matter of people showing they want to know.

This brings us to what I belive is the really big issue: a lack of interest and trust. Each needs to be tackled in different ways. People need to know that what happens elsewhere affects them. Once at that point, they need another kind of help get through the firehose of information to news that one can trust. 

Both take training. I would like to call to your attention a new program to do just that -- one that ought to be emulated nationally, since newspapers are pulling back and people are reading them less and less in any case.

The Knight Foundation has just put up a very large sum to pick up on a move started by Stony Brook University to train students, first in the value of being informed and then, how to do it. Having had success in a few small courses, the university approached Knight to fund an expansion of the program. In the event, Knight upped the ante and laid down a challenge to do not just a few more courses, but to see to it all students at the uiniversity get a course in news understanding and assessment.

The first iterations start this year and in four years every single student on the university will have had their eyes opened through formal courses. If the newspapers won&#039;t help, maybe the universities can, along with the citizen bloggers and other on the ground sources you mention. Once that happens, the newspapers may find the demand is high enough to get their own foreign correspondents back in the field.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting to see Al Jazeera in the automated posts. It is one I would add to your list regarding news services that supply overseas news. The bulk of key AJ journalists and editors were trained at the BBC and Reuters among others. In reading the English language output (they started an English-language 24-hour TV channel in the last quarter of 2006), it looks a lot like the objective journalism I was trained to do at Reuters. A quick story on that:<br />
When I joined them from AP in the Vietnam era, I  blithely wrote a story on my first day from the day&#8217;s war reports using terms that were commonly used at the (very American) AP, using references to &#8220;communist guerillas&#8221; and &#8220;the enemy.&#8221;<br />
A Reuters editor tossed the story back saying I should identify each side by name, in this case using &#8220;Viet Cong&#8221; and/or &#8220;North Vietnamese.&#8221; At Reuters, he explained, there is no enemy.</p>
<p>Not a lesson easily forgotten, and one which demonstrates the fact that objective reporting is a sought after goal at serious news organmizations. (Yes, they fail, but at least they try)</p>
<p>Organizations like AFP, Reuters, the AP and Al Jazeera  are doing the overseas reporting and they do it for an English speaking audience &#8212; not for a government or a belief set. There are, in fact, more highlky trained reporters on the ground for these agencies than ever in their history. So why isn&#8217;t it a part of every American&#8217;s daily information meal? </p>
<p>Americans have full access to these sources of foreign news reporting and can use it individually via the net. For editors, it can be selected (at a cost) for use in their newspapers. It is a matter of people showing they want to know.</p>
<p>This brings us to what I belive is the really big issue: a lack of interest and trust. Each needs to be tackled in different ways. People need to know that what happens elsewhere affects them. Once at that point, they need another kind of help get through the firehose of information to news that one can trust. </p>
<p>Both take training. I would like to call to your attention a new program to do just that &#8212; one that ought to be emulated nationally, since newspapers are pulling back and people are reading them less and less in any case.</p>
<p>The Knight Foundation has just put up a very large sum to pick up on a move started by Stony Brook University to train students, first in the value of being informed and then, how to do it. Having had success in a few small courses, the university approached Knight to fund an expansion of the program. In the event, Knight upped the ante and laid down a challenge to do not just a few more courses, but to see to it all students at the uiniversity get a course in news understanding and assessment.</p>
<p>The first iterations start this year and in four years every single student on the university will have had their eyes opened through formal courses. If the newspapers won&#8217;t help, maybe the universities can, along with the citizen bloggers and other on the ground sources you mention. Once that happens, the newspapers may find the demand is high enough to get their own foreign correspondents back in the field.</p>
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