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		<title>By: Wadaag.com &#187; SIDA SOOMAALIYA OO KALE.. !!?</title>
		<link>http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2007/06/22/an-update-on-the-third-front/comment-page-1/#comment-2363612</link>
		<dc:creator>Wadaag.com &#187; SIDA SOOMAALIYA OO KALE.. !!?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2011 15:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] http://ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2007/06/22/an-update-on-the-third-front/ PH warned it may end up like Somalia http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/inquirerheadlines/nation/view/20101119-304028/PH-warned-it-may-end-up-like-Somalia [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] <a href="http://ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2007/06/22/an-update-on-the-third-front/" rel="nofollow">http://ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2007/06/22/an-update-on-the-third-front/</a> PH warned it may end up like Somalia <a href="http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/inquirerheadlines/nation/view/20101119-304028/PH-warned-it-may-end-up-like-Somalia" rel="nofollow">http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/inquirerheadlines/nation/view/20101119-304028/PH-warned-it-may-end-up-like-Somalia</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: &#8230;My heart&#8217;s in Accra &#187; How to tell the story of the strike against Al-Shabab in Somalia?</title>
		<link>http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2007/06/22/an-update-on-the-third-front/comment-page-1/#comment-954866</link>
		<dc:creator>&#8230;My heart&#8217;s in Accra &#187; How to tell the story of the strike against Al-Shabab in Somalia?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 21:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] opportunity for what? January 11, 2007 - A quagmire no one wants to be stuck in June 22, 2007 - An update on the &#8220;third front&#8221; November 19, 2007 - The possible resumption of the world&#8217;s stupidest war  December 14, 2007 - [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] opportunity for what? January 11, 2007 &#8211; A quagmire no one wants to be stuck in June 22, 2007 &#8211; An update on the &#8220;third front&#8221; November 19, 2007 &#8211; The possible resumption of the world&#8217;s stupidest war  December 14, 2007 &#8211; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: &#8230;My heart&#8217;s in Accra &#187; Steve Bloomfield breaks new ground in Somalia reporting</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8230;My heart&#8217;s in Accra &#187; Steve Bloomfield breaks new ground in Somalia reporting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 17:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] opportunity for what? January 11, 2007 - A quagmire no one wants to be stuck in June 22, 2007 - An update on the &#8220;third front&#8221; November 19, 2007 - The possible resumption of the world&#8217;s stupidest war  December 14, 2007 - [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] opportunity for what? January 11, 2007 &#8211; A quagmire no one wants to be stuck in June 22, 2007 &#8211; An update on the &#8220;third front&#8221; November 19, 2007 &#8211; The possible resumption of the world&#8217;s stupidest war  December 14, 2007 &#8211; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: &#8230;My heart&#8217;s in Accra &#187; The possible resumption of the world&#8217;s stupidest war</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8230;My heart&#8217;s in Accra &#187; The possible resumption of the world&#8217;s stupidest war</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Zenawi seems to have played this game better than any other. With cooperation of US Special Forces, Ethiopia invaded Somalia to support the weak Transitional Federal Government against the Union of Islamic Courts, who had [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Zenawi seems to have played this game better than any other. With cooperation of US Special Forces, Ethiopia invaded Somalia to support the weak Transitional Federal Government against the Union of Islamic Courts, who had [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Abdurahman  &#62;&#62; US strategy in the horn can only further destablize the region</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abdurahman  &#62;&#62; US strategy in the horn can only further destablize the region</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 07:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] One thing I would like to suggest is that Ethiopia&#039;s intervention in Somalia wasn&#039;t because it was afraid of the Islamic Courts invading them, they were too weak to threaten Ethiopia. But it was Ethiopia&#039;s arch-rival Eritrea&#039;s support for the Islamic Courts, arming and funding them, that compelled Ethiopia to do something [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] One thing I would like to suggest is that Ethiopia&#8217;s intervention in Somalia wasn&#8217;t because it was afraid of the Islamic Courts invading them, they were too weak to threaten Ethiopia. But it was Ethiopia&#8217;s arch-rival Eritrea&#8217;s support for the Islamic Courts, arming and funding them, that compelled Ethiopia to do something [...]</p>
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		<title>By: BRE</title>
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		<dc:creator>BRE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 11:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just kidding about you being an ex-Marine as you well know, but it is nice that you showed respect for the rich history and high ideals of the Corps.  Unfortunately not every member of our armed forces have been able to live up to the high ideals and standards that each branch has set for itself.  I served in the U.S. military years ago (Air Force) toward the end of a terrible and unjust war in Southeast Asia.

It&#039;s good to hear that the DoD is paying close attention to what we are trying to do here in &quot;the Sphere&quot; and inviting our fearless leaders to conferences and seminars.  The Pentagon needs to listen-up and carefully think about what people around the world are saying and writing as some of these voices will surely be a great help for the U.S. Armed Forces &quot;to get it right&quot; in future assignments around the globe, especially in Africa.

I&#039;d much rather see an American G.I. carrying a pick and shovel to help people rebuild than to see him or her carrying a weapon to kill.  Any true professional soldier would feel the same way.  Guaranteed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just kidding about you being an ex-Marine as you well know, but it is nice that you showed respect for the rich history and high ideals of the Corps.  Unfortunately not every member of our armed forces have been able to live up to the high ideals and standards that each branch has set for itself.  I served in the U.S. military years ago (Air Force) toward the end of a terrible and unjust war in Southeast Asia.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s good to hear that the DoD is paying close attention to what we are trying to do here in &#8220;the Sphere&#8221; and inviting our fearless leaders to conferences and seminars.  The Pentagon needs to listen-up and carefully think about what people around the world are saying and writing as some of these voices will surely be a great help for the U.S. Armed Forces &#8220;to get it right&#8221; in future assignments around the globe, especially in Africa.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d much rather see an American G.I. carrying a pick and shovel to help people rebuild than to see him or her carrying a weapon to kill.  Any true professional soldier would feel the same way.  Guaranteed!</p>
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		<title>By: Ethan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ethan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 13:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BRE, you do me an undeserved honor in mistaking me for a former Marine. The limit of my service to our country has been in helping USAID spend our tax dollars - I&#039;ve not served in our armed forces, though I have nothing but respect for those who have.

I agree that Barnett&#039;s piece in Esquire can come off sounding overly dramatic - that&#039;s his tone, and Esquire is emphasizing that aspect of his writing, I&#039;m sure. But he&#039;s a very influential thinker with a great deal of pull within the Pentagon. I was at a DoD event about two years ago, filled with senior officers, and every attendee had been given a copy of Barnett&#039;s first book.

(And for my readers who wonder what the hell I was doing at a DoD event, one of the positives of the American military establishment is that they frequently invite long-haired left-wingers like me to unclassified events to share our opinions on issues like African security...)

Looking forward to reading the sources you suggest on AFRICOM. I suspect our disagreement is less bitter than you think. I quite like the approach of combining diplomatic, aid and military presence in transition countries - I just worry that in situations like Somalia we are putting the wrong foot forward and getting into bed with the wrong partners.

As always, thanks for reading and engaging, Bill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BRE, you do me an undeserved honor in mistaking me for a former Marine. The limit of my service to our country has been in helping USAID spend our tax dollars &#8211; I&#8217;ve not served in our armed forces, though I have nothing but respect for those who have.</p>
<p>I agree that Barnett&#8217;s piece in Esquire can come off sounding overly dramatic &#8211; that&#8217;s his tone, and Esquire is emphasizing that aspect of his writing, I&#8217;m sure. But he&#8217;s a very influential thinker with a great deal of pull within the Pentagon. I was at a DoD event about two years ago, filled with senior officers, and every attendee had been given a copy of Barnett&#8217;s first book.</p>
<p>(And for my readers who wonder what the hell I was doing at a DoD event, one of the positives of the American military establishment is that they frequently invite long-haired left-wingers like me to unclassified events to share our opinions on issues like African security&#8230;)</p>
<p>Looking forward to reading the sources you suggest on AFRICOM. I suspect our disagreement is less bitter than you think. I quite like the approach of combining diplomatic, aid and military presence in transition countries &#8211; I just worry that in situations like Somalia we are putting the wrong foot forward and getting into bed with the wrong partners.</p>
<p>As always, thanks for reading and engaging, Bill.</p>
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		<title>By: BRE</title>
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		<dc:creator>BRE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good to see that we are on the same wavelength in tracking the development of the new U.S. military joint command for Africa (AFRICOM), albeit we probably bitterly disagree on whether it is a good development for Africa (&amp; the U.S.A.) or not.

I did a bit of research on this subject after scanning the Esquire magazine piece on June 18th and came across an interesting document from the U.S. Army War College that explains in detail what brought this new military command into being.  Barnett&#039;s piece for Esqure magazine in contrast was like reading a cheap dimestore novel (no offense meant, it&#039;s just the way that the Esquire article came across for me).  Perhaps I need to read it again now that you have presented this guy&#039;s credentials as an experienced advisor to the Pentagon on defense strategies and foreign expedition military ops.

Some excellent resources on AFRICOM can be found at the South African CSIS Africa Policy Forum and the Council on Foreign Relations websites.  Here are the details in case you and your readers are interested:

CSIS Africa Policy Forum (South Africa)
AFRICOM: The U.S. Military Consolidates Its Efforts

Council on Foreign Relations
The Pentagon’s New Africa Command by Stephanie Hanson
May 3, 2007

CFR Podcast: Interview with AFRICOM transition team commander Rear Admiral Robert T. Moeller and U.S. State Department ambassador Robert G. Loftis
The New ‘Africa Command’ by Michael Moran
Feb 09, 2007

U.S. Army War College Strategic Studies Institute – Key Strategic Issues List
African Command: The Newest Combatant Command by Lt. Col. Paul P. Cale

Semper Fi, Marine!  You are an ex-Marine, aren&#039;t you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good to see that we are on the same wavelength in tracking the development of the new U.S. military joint command for Africa (AFRICOM), albeit we probably bitterly disagree on whether it is a good development for Africa (&amp; the U.S.A.) or not.</p>
<p>I did a bit of research on this subject after scanning the Esquire magazine piece on June 18th and came across an interesting document from the U.S. Army War College that explains in detail what brought this new military command into being.  Barnett&#8217;s piece for Esqure magazine in contrast was like reading a cheap dimestore novel (no offense meant, it&#8217;s just the way that the Esquire article came across for me).  Perhaps I need to read it again now that you have presented this guy&#8217;s credentials as an experienced advisor to the Pentagon on defense strategies and foreign expedition military ops.</p>
<p>Some excellent resources on AFRICOM can be found at the South African CSIS Africa Policy Forum and the Council on Foreign Relations websites.  Here are the details in case you and your readers are interested:</p>
<p>CSIS Africa Policy Forum (South Africa)<br />
AFRICOM: The U.S. Military Consolidates Its Efforts</p>
<p>Council on Foreign Relations<br />
The Pentagon’s New Africa Command by Stephanie Hanson<br />
May 3, 2007</p>
<p>CFR Podcast: Interview with AFRICOM transition team commander Rear Admiral Robert T. Moeller and U.S. State Department ambassador Robert G. Loftis<br />
The New ‘Africa Command’ by Michael Moran<br />
Feb 09, 2007</p>
<p>U.S. Army War College Strategic Studies Institute – Key Strategic Issues List<br />
African Command: The Newest Combatant Command by Lt. Col. Paul P. Cale</p>
<p>Semper Fi, Marine!  You are an ex-Marine, aren&#8217;t you?</p>
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		<title>By: a517dogg</title>
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		<dc:creator>a517dogg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One positive point is that AFRICOM will be largely civilian representatives of State, Justice, Commerce, etc.

As to the point of how AIDS affects the effectiveness of militaries, a good article for that is Stefan Elbe&#039;s &quot;HIV/AIDS and the Changing Landscape of War in Africa&quot; in the Fall 2002 issue of &quot;International Security.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One positive point is that AFRICOM will be largely civilian representatives of State, Justice, Commerce, etc.</p>
<p>As to the point of how AIDS affects the effectiveness of militaries, a good article for that is Stefan Elbe&#8217;s &#8220;HIV/AIDS and the Changing Landscape of War in Africa&#8221; in the Fall 2002 issue of &#8220;International Security.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 18:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has Barnett mentioned at all the question of how AIDS/HIV in Africa affects the viability of local militaries on the continent? RAND did some work on this a few years back and raised some interesting questions with regard to how African militaries collapsing under the effects of the pandemic could in turn affect U.S. national security.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has Barnett mentioned at all the question of how AIDS/HIV in Africa affects the viability of local militaries on the continent? RAND did some work on this a few years back and raised some interesting questions with regard to how African militaries collapsing under the effects of the pandemic could in turn affect U.S. national security.</p>
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