Comments on: Fred Turner: the rhetoric of cyberutopianism http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2007/06/26/fred-turner-the-rhetoric-of-cyberutopianism/ EthanZ's musings on Africa, media and international development Wed, 08 Feb 2012 20:45:31 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: …My heart’s in Accra » Searching for common ground with Andrew Keen http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2007/06/26/fred-turner-the-rhetoric-of-cyberutopianism/comment-page-1/#comment-843739 …My heart’s in Accra » Searching for common ground with Andrew Keen Sat, 02 Feb 2008 21:49:35 +0000 http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2007/06/26/fred-turner-the-rhetoric-of-cyberutopianism/#comment-843739 [...] was also pleased to see that Keen relied heavily on Fred Turner’s brilliant “From Counterculture to Cyberculture,” an important book that links the rhetoric of cyberspace promoters with 1960s counterculture. Keen [...] [...] was also pleased to see that Keen relied heavily on Fred Turner’s brilliant “From Counterculture to Cyberculture,” an important book that links the rhetoric of cyberspace promoters with 1960s counterculture. Keen [...]

]]> By: …My heart’s in Accra » Games, racism, cross-cultural (mis)communication http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2007/06/26/fred-turner-the-rhetoric-of-cyberutopianism/comment-page-1/#comment-481105 …My heart’s in Accra » Games, racism, cross-cultural (mis)communication Thu, 09 Aug 2007 00:40:15 +0000 http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2007/06/26/fred-turner-the-rhetoric-of-cyberutopianism/#comment-481105 [...] encouraging for those of us who are trying to encourage dialog online. I’ve been critical of cyberutopian ideas that suggest that the mere existence of tools that can connect diverse populations will lead to [...] [...] encouraging for those of us who are trying to encourage dialog online. I’ve been critical of cyberutopian ideas that suggest that the mere existence of tools that can connect diverse populations will lead to [...]

]]> By: Myriam Redondo http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2007/06/26/fred-turner-the-rhetoric-of-cyberutopianism/comment-page-1/#comment-400431 Myriam Redondo Fri, 06 Jul 2007 12:24:34 +0000 http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2007/06/26/fred-turner-the-rhetoric-of-cyberutopianism/#comment-400431 Hi, Ethan. I follow your research long time ago and always found it very remarkable, but this post offers specially useful thoughts for me. Do you know this feeling when someone express some ideas that you had in mind? The book you talk about seems interesting because it does not reject the confrontation between dreams and reality in the use of new technologies. As you mention, it is very common to see how "conversation about computers" turns easily into a "conversation about idealized societies". But before taking this parallelism by granted, maybe it would be necessary to explore the intertwinnings of both spheres (virtual worlds and real world) further and even more critically than we have done till now. I keep this paragraph in mind: "[the book confirms] that a simple linkage between the counterculture and computer geeks is a bit too simple. But there’s seeds of another critique in the book as well, one that suggests that cyberutopianism is so appealing because the online spaces link “people like us”, and not outsiders". Hopefully not. I wish a future Internet that will not only be a place for "people like us", but a place to get to know very different human profiles, specially outsiders. But it is my opinion that we have to work hard for it, instead of relying lazily in the great possibilities of the Net. I put the book on the list for september. :) Hi, Ethan.

I follow your research long time ago and always found it very remarkable, but this post offers specially useful thoughts for me. Do you know this feeling when someone express some ideas that you had in mind?

The book you talk about seems interesting because it does not reject the confrontation between dreams and reality in the use of new technologies. As you mention, it is very common to see how “conversation about computers” turns easily into a “conversation about idealized societies”. But before taking this parallelism by granted, maybe it would be necessary to explore the intertwinnings of both spheres (virtual worlds and real world) further and even more critically than we have done till now.

I keep this paragraph in mind: “[the book confirms] that a simple linkage between the counterculture and computer geeks is a bit too simple. But there’s seeds of another critique in the book as well, one that suggests that cyberutopianism is so appealing because the online spaces link “people like us”, and not outsiders”.

Hopefully not. I wish a future Internet that will not only be a place for “people like us”, but a place to get to know very different human profiles, specially outsiders. But it is my opinion that we have to work hard for it, instead of relying lazily in the great possibilities of the Net.

I put the book on the list for september.
:)

]]> By: Niall McNulty | Narrative + Technology » The rhetoric of cyberutopianism http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2007/06/26/fred-turner-the-rhetoric-of-cyberutopianism/comment-page-1/#comment-392229 Niall McNulty | Narrative + Technology » The rhetoric of cyberutopianism Sun, 01 Jul 2007 09:18:10 +0000 http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2007/06/26/fred-turner-the-rhetoric-of-cyberutopianism/#comment-392229 [...] Click here to read to the full article. [...] [...] Click here to read to the full article. [...]

]]> By: SY http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2007/06/26/fred-turner-the-rhetoric-of-cyberutopianism/comment-page-1/#comment-390066 SY Fri, 29 Jun 2007 21:14:09 +0000 http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2007/06/26/fred-turner-the-rhetoric-of-cyberutopianism/#comment-390066 I quite liked Turner's book and found the sociological terminology perfectly acceptable for a general audience. Turner gave a great talk about the book at Berkman last fall; I can't recall if you were there. If not... http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/mediaberkman/2006/12/04/from-counterculture-to-cyberculture-the-rise-of-digital-utopianism-2/ One point of Turner's that's worth keeping on the front burner, I think: the Internet and related, networked technologies do not bring social justice without real humans doing the real work of making it so. I quite liked Turner’s book and found the sociological terminology perfectly acceptable for a general audience. Turner gave a great talk about the book at Berkman last fall; I can’t recall if you were there. If not…
http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/mediaberkman/2006/12/04/from-counterculture-to-cyberculture-the-rise-of-digital-utopianism-2/
One point of Turner’s that’s worth keeping on the front burner, I think: the Internet and related, networked technologies do not bring social justice without real humans doing the real work of making it so.

]]> By: ed costello: comments and links http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2007/06/26/fred-turner-the-rhetoric-of-cyberutopianism/comment-page-1/#comment-383561 ed costello: comments and links Wed, 27 Jun 2007 02:26:45 +0000 http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2007/06/26/fred-turner-the-rhetoric-of-cyberutopianism/#comment-383561 <strong>Insert Clever Title Here...</strong> One might think nothing of consequence happened in May from my complete lack of posting here. It was a crappy month, a very hectic month, one which I don't see much value in reviewing here. Let us simply wish May 2007 adieu and move on to June. We thi... Insert Clever Title Here…

One might think nothing of consequence happened in May from my complete lack of posting here. It was a crappy month, a very hectic month, one which I don’t see much value in reviewing here. Let us simply wish May 2007 adieu and move on to June. We thi…

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