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	<title>Comments on: Stewart Brand and thinking about Megacities</title>
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		<title>By: &#8230;My heart&#8217;s in Accra &#187; TED2008: Reconcilliation</title>
		<link>http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2007/10/24/stewart-brand-and-thinking-about-megacities/comment-page-1/#comment-884079</link>
		<dc:creator>&#8230;My heart&#8217;s in Accra &#187; TED2008: Reconcilliation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] talks briefly about his new project - 19.20.21, which I&#8217;ve written about previously. He tells us that he began thinking about cities because he doesn&#8217;t understand them. Cities [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] talks briefly about his new project &#8211; 19.20.21, which I&#8217;ve written about previously. He tells us that he began thinking about cities because he doesn&#8217;t understand them. Cities [...]</p>
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		<title>By: a thousand tomorrows &#187; Blog Archive &#187; african megacities</title>
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		<dc:creator>a thousand tomorrows &#187; Blog Archive &#187; african megacities</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 10:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Every week more than 1.3 million people flock to a city somewhere on our planet, 70 million a year (and rising according to some). For more food for thought on the megacities challenge, and the squatter cities reality, make sure to check out Stewart Brand&#8217;s brief and powerful 3min TED talk on the subject (as well as Ethan Zuckerman&#8217;s related blog entry). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Every week more than 1.3 million people flock to a city somewhere on our planet, 70 million a year (and rising according to some). For more food for thought on the megacities challenge, and the squatter cities reality, make sure to check out Stewart Brand&#8217;s brief and powerful 3min TED talk on the subject (as well as Ethan Zuckerman&#8217;s related blog entry). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: susan</title>
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		<dc:creator>susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 16:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wrote about only one PopTech session for the local newspaper in Camden, Maien - an end of the day session on oceans, with Maine lobsterman/researcher Ted Ames and two European filmmaker/conservationists.  I lingered at the event after the session, not rushing right back to my desk, but was back within a half hour.  Then I went on line to find the name of the woman who made music with her cell phone and bowls of water, and searched your blog as well. While I didn&#039;t find what I was looking for, I saw that your blogs on the three speakers I had just listened to were already online. I read your two well-written accurate blogs on the Europeans, duly impressed with your speed and focus.  (I was leading my story with Ames, and I didn&#039;t want another writer&#039;s verbiage to get stuck in my head.)  Just today, after reading a letter to the editor criticizing my story on the session , I went back to your blog and read your version.  You really nailed it, and I&#039;d trust your writing on any topic at this point. Glad to hear you prepare for this kind of thing by sleeping nine hours, because I was wondering how you do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote about only one PopTech session for the local newspaper in Camden, Maien &#8211; an end of the day session on oceans, with Maine lobsterman/researcher Ted Ames and two European filmmaker/conservationists.  I lingered at the event after the session, not rushing right back to my desk, but was back within a half hour.  Then I went on line to find the name of the woman who made music with her cell phone and bowls of water, and searched your blog as well. While I didn&#8217;t find what I was looking for, I saw that your blogs on the three speakers I had just listened to were already online. I read your two well-written accurate blogs on the Europeans, duly impressed with your speed and focus.  (I was leading my story with Ames, and I didn&#8217;t want another writer&#8217;s verbiage to get stuck in my head.)  Just today, after reading a letter to the editor criticizing my story on the session , I went back to your blog and read your version.  You really nailed it, and I&#8217;d trust your writing on any topic at this point. Glad to hear you prepare for this kind of thing by sleeping nine hours, because I was wondering how you do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Kerawa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kerawa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Help a young cameroonian to achieve his challenge: get 1000 ads in 20 days.

His article is here http://ekwogefee.akopo.com/post/2007/10/29/challenge-the-kerawa-effect.-d-day-20

You may read it, it’s very interesting</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Help a young cameroonian to achieve his challenge: get 1000 ads in 20 days.</p>
<p>His article is here <a href="http://ekwogefee.akopo.com/post/2007/10/29/challenge-the-kerawa-effect.-d-day-20" rel="nofollow">http://ekwogefee.akopo.com/post/2007/10/29/challenge-the-kerawa-effect.-d-day-20</a></p>
<p>You may read it, it’s very interesting</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ethan,

I just wanted to second Hank&#039;s concluding comment:

Liveblogging like you do has to be quite taxing, and it certainly must dictate/limit much of your engagement during the course of the conferences you attend, but it is quite appreciated by lots of us who read your blog regularly but can&#039;t make it to the (rather punishing!) schedule of quite interesting events you attend.

Whatever you decide related to liveblogging, thanks (from a lot of us) for allowing us in as a fly on the wall to so many interesting conversations.

Cheers,
 -Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ethan,</p>
<p>I just wanted to second Hank&#8217;s concluding comment:</p>
<p>Liveblogging like you do has to be quite taxing, and it certainly must dictate/limit much of your engagement during the course of the conferences you attend, but it is quite appreciated by lots of us who read your blog regularly but can&#8217;t make it to the (rather punishing!) schedule of quite interesting events you attend.</p>
<p>Whatever you decide related to liveblogging, thanks (from a lot of us) for allowing us in as a fly on the wall to so many interesting conversations.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
 -Mike</p>
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		<title>By: Hank Roberts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hank Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 04:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hopeful stuff, and probably good prediction given that history is written by the survivors.  I do think about the sewage. And resistant staph. Looking at a a megacity I also see a very high concentration of very genetically similar meat to which any number of organisms may come for easy pickings.  HIV was an opening act, not the big performance, I suspect.  People don&#039;t worry about public health because they don&#039;t understand either &#039;public&#039; or &#039;health&#039; in terms of populations rather than individuals, but it&#039;s the populations that matter, I think, in biology.

Up in N. California, Mr. Hurwitz&#039;s Pacific Lumber, bankrupt like its owner&#039;s previous savings and loans, is proposing the bankruptcy judge allow breaking up the redwoods into 160-acre timber farms with individual residences on each one.  The opposite of the megacity, the rich separate residence.

Looking at the planet I find myself thinking of the two percent of the people who now own more than half of it -- &#039;you bought it, you broke it, you pay to fix it&#039; -- and wonder if the megacities do have a &#039;black energy&#039; economy that can keep the kids growing up there smart as well as alive.

Much appreciate the blogging from those conversations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hopeful stuff, and probably good prediction given that history is written by the survivors.  I do think about the sewage. And resistant staph. Looking at a a megacity I also see a very high concentration of very genetically similar meat to which any number of organisms may come for easy pickings.  HIV was an opening act, not the big performance, I suspect.  People don&#8217;t worry about public health because they don&#8217;t understand either &#8216;public&#8217; or &#8216;health&#8217; in terms of populations rather than individuals, but it&#8217;s the populations that matter, I think, in biology.</p>
<p>Up in N. California, Mr. Hurwitz&#8217;s Pacific Lumber, bankrupt like its owner&#8217;s previous savings and loans, is proposing the bankruptcy judge allow breaking up the redwoods into 160-acre timber farms with individual residences on each one.  The opposite of the megacity, the rich separate residence.</p>
<p>Looking at the planet I find myself thinking of the two percent of the people who now own more than half of it &#8212; &#8216;you bought it, you broke it, you pay to fix it&#8217; &#8212; and wonder if the megacities do have a &#8216;black energy&#8217; economy that can keep the kids growing up there smart as well as alive.</p>
<p>Much appreciate the blogging from those conversations.</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2007-10-25 &#171; Chatquah and Galoshes</title>
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		<dc:creator>links for 2007-10-25 &#171; Chatquah and Galoshes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Stewart Brand on megacities (tags: cities future) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Simon McIntyre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon McIntyre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 08:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your discussion on top down vs bottom up solutions is really interesting. It&#039;s an obsession in a &quot;modernised&quot; road to plan a very efficient system, however the effectiveness of this is rarely considered. This is especially true on a continent like Africa where systems and processes are often imposed on dynamics rather than the dynamics being allowed to define the process.

A great example of this is when you see a newly planned park with paths laid out nicely, within a few months different paths will have been worn out by people taking what they deem to be the most effective (if not efficient) route, now imagine this on a city wide scale. The challenge for mega cities is how they can develop systems and infrastructure that fits the unique dynamics of areas on a local level. I&#039;m working with some people on a concept of clustered infrastructure rather like the cellular phone infrastructure operates on a cell/ cluster basis. This approach has redefined communication so why not other infrastructure like water, sewage and electricity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your discussion on top down vs bottom up solutions is really interesting. It&#8217;s an obsession in a &#8220;modernised&#8221; road to plan a very efficient system, however the effectiveness of this is rarely considered. This is especially true on a continent like Africa where systems and processes are often imposed on dynamics rather than the dynamics being allowed to define the process.</p>
<p>A great example of this is when you see a newly planned park with paths laid out nicely, within a few months different paths will have been worn out by people taking what they deem to be the most effective (if not efficient) route, now imagine this on a city wide scale. The challenge for mega cities is how they can develop systems and infrastructure that fits the unique dynamics of areas on a local level. I&#8217;m working with some people on a concept of clustered infrastructure rather like the cellular phone infrastructure operates on a cell/ cluster basis. This approach has redefined communication so why not other infrastructure like water, sewage and electricity.</p>
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		<title>By: davesgonechina</title>
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		<dc:creator>davesgonechina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 04:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I suspect that if there were half a dozen livebloggers at each of these events, we’d all produce slightly different accounts and that people really interested in those talks would benefit from comparing all those accounts…&quot;

This gave me a half baked idea - what if you liveblogged with partners, and somehow could do a combination of play-by-play, commentary, and maybe some post-game analysis debate? Kinda like a panel on the panel. Not sure how you&#039;d do it (wiki?), but it would be cool to find a way to have more than one perspective on a conference from one source.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I suspect that if there were half a dozen livebloggers at each of these events, we’d all produce slightly different accounts and that people really interested in those talks would benefit from comparing all those accounts…&#8221;</p>
<p>This gave me a half baked idea &#8211; what if you liveblogged with partners, and somehow could do a combination of play-by-play, commentary, and maybe some post-game analysis debate? Kinda like a panel on the panel. Not sure how you&#8217;d do it (wiki?), but it would be cool to find a way to have more than one perspective on a conference from one source.</p>
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		<title>By: medea</title>
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		<dc:creator>medea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 01:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny you should write this tonight. This afternoon I was up in the Medellín slums visiting one of our hiperbarrio participants at her school. 

This article brought up many of the questions I had on my mind while riding the bus up there, looking at these neighborhoods where people raise pigs on the third floor roofs, grow vegetables in cut open bleach bottles they hang from their window sills, where everyone walks or rides public transportation, people have great big smiles on their faces: yet buses have to climb on sidewalks and almost swipe any pedestrians when they meet another bus coming the opposite direction since the streets are too narrow, trash heaps up in corners, some houses continue to build upward even when it is obvious that there are serious stress fractures on the main floor, landslides that have wiped whole blocks off the map and sewage seeping into creeks and rivers coming down from the mountain. 

I don´t think all slums and squatter settlements respond to the criteria Stewart Brand mentions, in fact, a couple sound implausible for me... I´ve seen starvation in cities, and not that much in rural areas. In this community there is no cellphone coverage, and people depend on landlines for communication. 

Perhaps those facts have to do with averages and medians and tendencies reached through statistics, however, humans don´t really act upon statistics, and different communities develop in many different ways, and maybe it would be a good thing to remember, that not every village acts like case studies do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny you should write this tonight. This afternoon I was up in the Medellín slums visiting one of our hiperbarrio participants at her school. </p>
<p>This article brought up many of the questions I had on my mind while riding the bus up there, looking at these neighborhoods where people raise pigs on the third floor roofs, grow vegetables in cut open bleach bottles they hang from their window sills, where everyone walks or rides public transportation, people have great big smiles on their faces: yet buses have to climb on sidewalks and almost swipe any pedestrians when they meet another bus coming the opposite direction since the streets are too narrow, trash heaps up in corners, some houses continue to build upward even when it is obvious that there are serious stress fractures on the main floor, landslides that have wiped whole blocks off the map and sewage seeping into creeks and rivers coming down from the mountain. </p>
<p>I don´t think all slums and squatter settlements respond to the criteria Stewart Brand mentions, in fact, a couple sound implausible for me&#8230; I´ve seen starvation in cities, and not that much in rural areas. In this community there is no cellphone coverage, and people depend on landlines for communication. </p>
<p>Perhaps those facts have to do with averages and medians and tendencies reached through statistics, however, humans don´t really act upon statistics, and different communities develop in many different ways, and maybe it would be a good thing to remember, that not every village acts like case studies do.</p>
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