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		<title>By: Nikenya</title>
		<link>http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2008/01/07/tribe/comment-page-1/#comment-858937</link>
		<dc:creator>Nikenya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 13:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s interesting to note that throughout history, societies by nature have this natural way of defining and classifying themselves into different groups.

For instance with the ongoing primaries in the united states, the issue of whites, black and Latino votes is a factor that any serious contender for the white house can not ignore.

And that brings me to Kenya tribal factor. I think we all must accept the fact that tribe is a big factor that defines and will continue to influence kenya as a society in virtually all aspects of life.

Now the big question of course is how do Kenyans nurture and tame this tribal aspect so that it contributes positively to it&#039;s society rather than negatively?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting to note that throughout history, societies by nature have this natural way of defining and classifying themselves into different groups.</p>
<p>For instance with the ongoing primaries in the united states, the issue of whites, black and Latino votes is a factor that any serious contender for the white house can not ignore.</p>
<p>And that brings me to Kenya tribal factor. I think we all must accept the fact that tribe is a big factor that defines and will continue to influence kenya as a society in virtually all aspects of life.</p>
<p>Now the big question of course is how do Kenyans nurture and tame this tribal aspect so that it contributes positively to it&#8217;s society rather than negatively?</p>
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		<title>By: POTASH</title>
		<link>http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2008/01/07/tribe/comment-page-1/#comment-769002</link>
		<dc:creator>POTASH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To further engage with Binyavanga&#039;s and other &#039;concerned Kenyan Writers&#039; opinion pieces related to the post-election crisis in Kenya, visit the Kwani blog

http://kwani.org/blog/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To further engage with Binyavanga&#8217;s and other &#8216;concerned Kenyan Writers&#8217; opinion pieces related to the post-election crisis in Kenya, visit the Kwani blog</p>
<p><a href="http://kwani.org/blog/" rel="nofollow">http://kwani.org/blog/</a></p>
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		<title>By: &#8230;My heart&#8217;s in Accra &#187; Scoble, Kenya and learning to connect</title>
		<link>http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2008/01/07/tribe/comment-page-1/#comment-762641</link>
		<dc:creator>&#8230;My heart&#8217;s in Accra &#187; Scoble, Kenya and learning to connect</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 00:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Now I think it&#8217;s a demand problem, not a supply problem. People are reporting about Kenya. Most bloggers aren&#8217;t blogging about it. It&#8217;s not that they&#8217;re bad people - it&#8217;s that they feel disconnected from the story, that they&#8217;ve got nothing invested in it and nothing to add to it. Solving that problem of disconnection likely goes way beyond more reporting or better systems to produce serendipity in newspapers - it&#8217;s a fundamental problem of living in a global society and interacting primarily with your own tribe. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Now I think it&#8217;s a demand problem, not a supply problem. People are reporting about Kenya. Most bloggers aren&#8217;t blogging about it. It&#8217;s not that they&#8217;re bad people &#8211; it&#8217;s that they feel disconnected from the story, that they&#8217;ve got nothing invested in it and nothing to add to it. Solving that problem of disconnection likely goes way beyond more reporting or better systems to produce serendipity in newspapers &#8211; it&#8217;s a fundamental problem of living in a global society and interacting primarily with your own tribe. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: w&#38;w</title>
		<link>http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2008/01/07/tribe/comment-page-1/#comment-761999</link>
		<dc:creator>w&#38;w</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Germane to this discussion, I think:
&quot;Talking about Tribe&quot;
http://allafrica.com/stories/200801080683.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Germane to this discussion, I think:<br />
&#8220;Talking about Tribe&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://allafrica.com/stories/200801080683.html" rel="nofollow">http://allafrica.com/stories/200801080683.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
		<link>http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2008/01/07/tribe/comment-page-1/#comment-761418</link>
		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 16:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Great blog post by Ethan Zuckerman on tribe, race, the impact of electing an African American president, and the political conflict in Kenya.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Great blog post by Ethan Zuckerman on tribe, race, the impact of electing an African American president, and the political conflict in Kenya.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Agents of Change &#171; Eight For 08</title>
		<link>http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2008/01/07/tribe/comment-page-1/#comment-761399</link>
		<dc:creator>Agents of Change &#171; Eight For 08</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 15:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Great blog post by Ethan Zuckerman on tribe, race, the impact of electing an African American president, and the political conflict in Kenya. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Great blog post by Ethan Zuckerman on tribe, race, the impact of electing an African American president, and the political conflict in Kenya. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: JohnofScribbleSheet</title>
		<link>http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2008/01/07/tribe/comment-page-1/#comment-760914</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnofScribbleSheet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 11:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We can even dispute the word &quot;tribal&quot;. I mean there is a great deal of arguments to suggest we are nations forced together by artificial boundaries. But we cannot reverse time. Its something to deal with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We can even dispute the word &#8220;tribal&#8221;. I mean there is a great deal of arguments to suggest we are nations forced together by artificial boundaries. But we cannot reverse time. Its something to deal with.</p>
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		<title>By: Cos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 01:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Israeli politics is very tribal, and that&#039;s something I think most western observers don&#039;t get... just as they miss how much the big European wars of the first half of the 20th century were tribal (they weren&#039;t entirely tribal, but it was one of the more powerful elements, that gets ignored).

Western observers do think of things happening in Israel and the middle east as being about &quot;religion&quot;, which then gets debunked by people who notice how it&#039;s *not* actually about religion, but those point-counterpoint debates and essays often proceed with all sides missing the point: religion over there is a marker of tribe, and the issues are not religious but tribal.  Similar things happen about ethnicity, which is related to tribe but isn&#039;t exactly the same thing.  Religious labels are not about religion, they&#039;re about tribal identity, and similarly, ethnic groups there aren&#039;t about actual ethnicity, they&#039;re about tribal identity.

There&#039;s a very large percentage of &quot;Israeli Jews&quot; who are ethnically Arab, many of whom either grew up in Arab countries calling themselves &quot;Arab&quot; and speaking Arabic, or whose parents did.  But in Israel, they&#039;re not Arabs, they&#039;re &quot;Israeli Jews&quot;, subtribe &quot;Mizrachi&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Israeli politics is very tribal, and that&#8217;s something I think most western observers don&#8217;t get&#8230; just as they miss how much the big European wars of the first half of the 20th century were tribal (they weren&#8217;t entirely tribal, but it was one of the more powerful elements, that gets ignored).</p>
<p>Western observers do think of things happening in Israel and the middle east as being about &#8220;religion&#8221;, which then gets debunked by people who notice how it&#8217;s *not* actually about religion, but those point-counterpoint debates and essays often proceed with all sides missing the point: religion over there is a marker of tribe, and the issues are not religious but tribal.  Similar things happen about ethnicity, which is related to tribe but isn&#8217;t exactly the same thing.  Religious labels are not about religion, they&#8217;re about tribal identity, and similarly, ethnic groups there aren&#8217;t about actual ethnicity, they&#8217;re about tribal identity.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a very large percentage of &#8220;Israeli Jews&#8221; who are ethnically Arab, many of whom either grew up in Arab countries calling themselves &#8220;Arab&#8221; and speaking Arabic, or whose parents did.  But in Israel, they&#8217;re not Arabs, they&#8217;re &#8220;Israeli Jews&#8221;, subtribe &#8220;Mizrachi&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: colin</title>
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		<dc:creator>colin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This &quot;tribalism&quot; seems remarkably similar to what we saw in Yugoslavia/Bosnia.  During his rule, Tito had both forced some amount of integration and played ethnic communities against each other in order to maintain power. In the late 80&#039;s there&#039;d been extensive intermarriage in many communities, religion was playing a relatively smaller role in many communities and the divisions between Serb, Croat and Muslim arguably were neither pervasive nor deadly. 

All this did not change on it&#039;s own, but rather an economic crisis, lust for power and politics of division combined to revive dormant or (mostly) dead feelings.  As in Kenya, it wasn&#039;t just a matter of time -- unless you consider despicable politics a foregone conclusion.  

The inevitability and thus, our inability to intervene effectively, was precisely the conclusion that many reached (including those in the US government).  True, reconciliation is hard, which is what makes it so important to restrain ourselves (whether politician or citizen) in the first place, and for friends (including governments and international organizations) to protect again the rise of that violence and division before it becomes too hard to step back.

Here&#039;s to cooler heads in Kenya and around the world, let them prevail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This &#8220;tribalism&#8221; seems remarkably similar to what we saw in Yugoslavia/Bosnia.  During his rule, Tito had both forced some amount of integration and played ethnic communities against each other in order to maintain power. In the late 80&#8242;s there&#8217;d been extensive intermarriage in many communities, religion was playing a relatively smaller role in many communities and the divisions between Serb, Croat and Muslim arguably were neither pervasive nor deadly. </p>
<p>All this did not change on it&#8217;s own, but rather an economic crisis, lust for power and politics of division combined to revive dormant or (mostly) dead feelings.  As in Kenya, it wasn&#8217;t just a matter of time &#8212; unless you consider despicable politics a foregone conclusion.  </p>
<p>The inevitability and thus, our inability to intervene effectively, was precisely the conclusion that many reached (including those in the US government).  True, reconciliation is hard, which is what makes it so important to restrain ourselves (whether politician or citizen) in the first place, and for friends (including governments and international organizations) to protect again the rise of that violence and division before it becomes too hard to step back.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s to cooler heads in Kenya and around the world, let them prevail.</p>
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		<title>By: w&#38;w</title>
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		<dc:creator>w&#38;w</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got to agree with Luis re: Obama&#039;s chances in southern primaries. He&#039;ll be competing for the votes of democrats who, presumably, harbor less racism than their counterparts across partisan lines (though I realize that may be a naive thing to presume).

As for &quot;ancient&quot; tribal tensions, I think too often we, esp mass media, tend to overlook the role that colonial regimes played in creating, playing up, and dividing people among &quot;tribes.&quot; To project these tensions as somehow autochthonous is to miss a lot of historical perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got to agree with Luis re: Obama&#8217;s chances in southern primaries. He&#8217;ll be competing for the votes of democrats who, presumably, harbor less racism than their counterparts across partisan lines (though I realize that may be a naive thing to presume).</p>
<p>As for &#8220;ancient&#8221; tribal tensions, I think too often we, esp mass media, tend to overlook the role that colonial regimes played in creating, playing up, and dividing people among &#8220;tribes.&#8221; To project these tensions as somehow autochthonous is to miss a lot of historical perspective.</p>
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