Comments on: Mugabe heckled: a new day for Parliament in Zimbabwe? http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2008/08/26/mugabe-heckled-a-new-day-for-parliament-in-zimbabwe/ EthanZ's musings on Africa, media and international development Wed, 08 Feb 2012 20:45:31 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Jonathan Williams http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2008/08/26/mugabe-heckled-a-new-day-for-parliament-in-zimbabwe/comment-page-1/#comment-1917391 Jonathan Williams Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:10:39 +0000 http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/?p=2173#comment-1917391 Robert Mugabe is a snail of Africa, my heart really goes when I think of those poor Zimbabweans. I am Zimbabwean living in England and I used to live in Harare, I must say that my country has been ruined by world's biggest terrorist which is Mugabe, look at the exchange rate, poverty, economic conditions of Zimbabwe. When I think about it my heart really goes, I wonder why Mugabe does not let citizens of Zimbabwe decide the future of the country and also Mugabe must realize that he is in power since last 30 years his mind is getting old and he cannot think the same as young generation can think, so he must resign for the better of Zimbabweans. Cheers Robert Mugabe is a snail of Africa, my heart really goes when I think of those poor Zimbabweans. I am Zimbabwean living in England and I used to live in Harare, I must say that my country has been ruined by world’s biggest terrorist which is Mugabe, look at the exchange rate, poverty, economic conditions of Zimbabwe. When I think about it my heart really goes, I wonder why Mugabe does not let citizens of Zimbabwe decide the future of the country and also Mugabe must realize that he is in power since last 30 years his mind is getting old and he cannot think the same as young generation can think, so he must resign for the better of Zimbabweans. Cheers

]]> By: Dumi http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2008/08/26/mugabe-heckled-a-new-day-for-parliament-in-zimbabwe/comment-page-1/#comment-1190358 Dumi Wed, 10 Sep 2008 08:48:43 +0000 http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/?p=2173#comment-1190358 Hey Ethan - the legality of mugabe's presidency is not meant to be a consolation for anyone. but for it to be understood as an important part of the context of zimbabwe's current state of politics. have a look at this blog posting from an MDC MP: http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/1828 Hey Ethan – the legality of mugabe’s presidency is not meant to be a consolation for anyone. but for it to be understood as an important part of the context of zimbabwe’s current state of politics.

have a look at this blog posting from an MDC MP: http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/1828

]]> By: …My heart’s in Accra » Blogger “failures” in the Georgian war, and the rise of citizen propoganda http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2008/08/26/mugabe-heckled-a-new-day-for-parliament-in-zimbabwe/comment-page-1/#comment-1171662 …My heart’s in Accra » Blogger “failures” in the Georgian war, and the rise of citizen propoganda Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:31:39 +0000 http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/?p=2173#comment-1171662 [...] Zimbabwe analysis and tries to balance my conclusions with his perspectives as a ZANU-PF supporter. Looking forward to him extending the arguments he makes in comments on my blog to a longer post sometime [...] [...] Zimbabwe analysis and tries to balance my conclusions with his perspectives as a ZANU-PF supporter. Looking forward to him extending the arguments he makes in comments on my blog to a longer post sometime [...]

]]> By: Global Voices Online » Zimbabwe: A new day for parliament? http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2008/08/26/mugabe-heckled-a-new-day-for-parliament-in-zimbabwe/comment-page-1/#comment-1171296 Global Voices Online » Zimbabwe: A new day for parliament? Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:32:41 +0000 http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/?p=2173#comment-1171296 [...] discusses the latest political events in Zimbabwe, “Once you’ve thrown an election, the preferred next step is to return matters to normalcy, [...] [...] discusses the latest political events in Zimbabwe, “Once you’ve thrown an election, the preferred next step is to return matters to normalcy, [...]

]]> By: Ethan http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2008/08/26/mugabe-heckled-a-new-day-for-parliament-in-zimbabwe/comment-page-1/#comment-1170258 Ethan Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:35:45 +0000 http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/?p=2173#comment-1170258 You're right, Dumi - the fact that ZANU-PF controls the Senate hasn't been widely discussed. That's an important observation and points more towards a likely stalemate in governance. I find it hard to be consoled by the argument that Mugabe's presidency is legitimate because it's legal - the climate of violence and intimidation is well documented and it's difficult for me to understand how you can be comfortable with an electoral outcome in which a candidate leading in the popular vote feels sufficiently threatened that he pulls out of the second round of elections. You allude to reasons Tsvangarai pulled out other than fears for his personal safety and safety of his supporters - I look forward to reading that argument on your blog. Please let me know when you post it. And yes, any time a post makes you want to eat your computer, the right reaction is to offer a blogpost. Looking forward to seeing what you have to say. You’re right, Dumi – the fact that ZANU-PF controls the Senate hasn’t been widely discussed. That’s an important observation and points more towards a likely stalemate in governance.

I find it hard to be consoled by the argument that Mugabe’s presidency is legitimate because it’s legal – the climate of violence and intimidation is well documented and it’s difficult for me to understand how you can be comfortable with an electoral outcome in which a candidate leading in the popular vote feels sufficiently threatened that he pulls out of the second round of elections. You allude to reasons Tsvangarai pulled out other than fears for his personal safety and safety of his supporters – I look forward to reading that argument on your blog. Please let me know when you post it.

And yes, any time a post makes you want to eat your computer, the right reaction is to offer a blogpost. Looking forward to seeing what you have to say.

]]> By: Dumi http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2008/08/26/mugabe-heckled-a-new-day-for-parliament-in-zimbabwe/comment-page-1/#comment-1170234 Dumi Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:21:03 +0000 http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/?p=2173#comment-1170234 Hey Ethan - nice to see you're still blogging on zim, although i think it's a bit of a warped view that you present. i almost ate my computer reading through the posting above. i guess i should just write one that shows a different perspective :-) and that also addresses what i think are some critical flaws or misrepresentations in your piece. the international press certainly shows the MDC in a really powerful position as a result of winning the office of speaker, which was the case before both MDC and ZANU agree to (check out the posting entitled the Gorbachev Factor on this blog by an former MDC parliamentarian, now an MDC Senator -- http://davidcoltart.com/archive/category/personalblog). but now what has happened since then is that there are two houses of power -- the lower house, and the upper house (the Senate) and legislation is now a bi-cameral process. i'm surprised that no-where in your posting do you make mention of the Senate and the fact that ZANU PF has a majority in the senate and that the lowe house can do nothing without it passing through the upper house and the consent of the president. it's also pretty amazing that the 'international community' keeps on this issue of legitimacy of mugabe's presidency and yet no one dares to pay attention to the legality of his presidency which is actually legal by zim law, made by ALL the parties currently represented in the current and previous legislature. the 'opposition' (MDC--both of them) love to spend energy on the emotional and yet side-step and ignore facts and legal dimensions of our current political situation. if anyone really, TRULY believes that tsvangirayi pulled out of the run-off election for the reasons they stated, then that is indeed very sad. anyway, i'm going to write up something more comprehensive that perhaps can bring a different light on this matter. keep a watch on my blog at TakingITGlobal and i'll also email you when i post. cheers ~ dumi Hey Ethan – nice to see you’re still blogging on zim, although i think it’s a bit of a warped view that you present. i almost ate my computer reading through the posting above. i guess i should just write one that shows a different perspective :-) and that also addresses what i think are some critical flaws or misrepresentations in your piece. the international press certainly shows the MDC in a really powerful position as a result of winning the office of speaker, which was the case before both MDC and ZANU agree to (check out the posting entitled the Gorbachev Factor on this blog by an former MDC parliamentarian, now an MDC Senator — http://davidcoltart.com/archive/category/personalblog). but now what has happened since then is that there are two houses of power — the lower house, and the upper house (the Senate) and legislation is now a bi-cameral process. i’m surprised that no-where in your posting do you make mention of the Senate and the fact that ZANU PF has a majority in the senate and that the lowe house can do nothing without it passing through the upper house and the consent of the president.

it’s also pretty amazing that the ‘international community’ keeps on this issue of legitimacy of mugabe’s presidency and yet no one dares to pay attention to the legality of his presidency which is actually legal by zim law, made by ALL the parties currently represented in the current and previous legislature. the ‘opposition’ (MDC–both of them) love to spend energy on the emotional and yet side-step and ignore facts and legal dimensions of our current political situation.

if anyone really, TRULY believes that tsvangirayi pulled out of the run-off election for the reasons they stated, then that is indeed very sad.

anyway, i’m going to write up something more comprehensive that perhaps can bring a different light on this matter. keep a watch on my blog at TakingITGlobal and i’ll also email you when i post.

cheers

~ dumi

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