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		<title>By: Build the Echo &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2008-11-12</title>
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		<dc:creator>Build the Echo &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2008-11-12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] …My heart’s in Accra » Infowar and Measuring Authenticity Interesting meditation on how to assess the validity of blog posts in highly politicized contexts.. (tags: buildtheecho impact)     Share and Enjoy: These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] …My heart’s in Accra » Infowar and Measuring Authenticity Interesting meditation on how to assess the validity of blog posts in highly politicized contexts.. (tags: buildtheecho impact)     Share and Enjoy: These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Flug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like you to consider that in fact most of the people do not really scrutinize the authority of information, but just assimilate it as news and distribute it to ohters. In fact I´d rather accept a video from a war zone, that is obviously made by a private person, that is supposed not to have the money to reset the zone in a studio, as more valid than the official VTR of a news agency. The point is that professionals leastwise have the power to dictate the masses´ opinion, even if their reports seem to be disinterested. The whole media is just corrupted. On topic: It´s in the responsibility of every individuum to skim more than just one source, but to collect pieces of information in order to build an opinion. The most effective way indeed is yours, Ethan: Ryszard Kapuscinski, a polish journalist, just said: &quot;In order to unterstand something holistically, don´t you dare to not expierene it!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like you to consider that in fact most of the people do not really scrutinize the authority of information, but just assimilate it as news and distribute it to ohters. In fact I´d rather accept a video from a war zone, that is obviously made by a private person, that is supposed not to have the money to reset the zone in a studio, as more valid than the official VTR of a news agency. The point is that professionals leastwise have the power to dictate the masses´ opinion, even if their reports seem to be disinterested. The whole media is just corrupted. On topic: It´s in the responsibility of every individuum to skim more than just one source, but to collect pieces of information in order to build an opinion. The most effective way indeed is yours, Ethan: Ryszard Kapuscinski, a polish journalist, just said: &#8220;In order to unterstand something holistically, don´t you dare to not expierene it!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Bryant</title>
		<link>http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2008/09/03/infowar-and-measuring-authenticity/comment-page-1/#comment-1186878</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee Bryant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 08:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting Post, Ethan.

This is not a new phenomenon, nor unexpected. For example, many pro-Israeli commenters and letter writers have been working from a shared template generated by propagandists and lobbyists for a long time, with journalists such as Robert Fisk bearing the brunt of much of this. The same is probably true to a lesser or greater extent for many communities, especially those involved in political or social conflict.

This may yield common phrases, but we should not assume this makes then necessarily inauthentic. Influence, as well as sockpuppetry and darker arts, might explain the use of common text.

Also, is it different for a state, for example, to &quot;use&quot; bloggers to push a message than for ad-hoc groupings of individuals to join together to push a message in pursuit of socially beneficial aims? The UK and US governments (as well as China, Russia and others) have long &quot;used&quot; journalists and media to do what the 50-cent party do, and they are probably &quot;using&quot; blogs too. New tools, same old battle for hegemony.

A (wonderful!) site like GV can sit anywhere on the spectrum of editorial oversight between a neutral POV aggregator like Techmeme and a publication like the Economist. Exactly where it should sit is an interesting question, but as an amplifier of voices around the world, it should expect to carry some pieces which are wrong or perhaps even inauthentic. Better to err on the side of allowing more voices and be clear and honest about those pieces that you have doubts about, than to only carry those voices you can completely verify. There is no objectivity in media, only intersubjectivity. We can make our own minds up about what to take seriously.

I used to be production editor on YugoFax, which became the IWPR, and this publication aggregated independent (often small) media from around the region  as a counterpoint to increasingly separated media landscapes. On the whole, I think it did a good job, but even there, the line between authentic opinion, political positions and propaganda became slightly blurred sometimes, especially when some writers went on to become leaders of new states.

In an upside-down world where one of the best examples of genuinely independent media (Al-Jazeera) is actively targeted in conflict zones by the US military, whilst at home Fox viewers ironically believe A-J to be terrorist propaganda, it is important to avoid any mechanism to judge the validity or authenticity of individual voices on blogs or in MSM. After all, who can claim to be objective enough to do that, and how do you address the fact that (for example) many people in China have legitimately different views of what constitutes &quot;truth&quot; from independence-minded activists or writers in Tibet.

Intersubjectivity is the best principle we can apply here, and GV is a great example of that in action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting Post, Ethan.</p>
<p>This is not a new phenomenon, nor unexpected. For example, many pro-Israeli commenters and letter writers have been working from a shared template generated by propagandists and lobbyists for a long time, with journalists such as Robert Fisk bearing the brunt of much of this. The same is probably true to a lesser or greater extent for many communities, especially those involved in political or social conflict.</p>
<p>This may yield common phrases, but we should not assume this makes then necessarily inauthentic. Influence, as well as sockpuppetry and darker arts, might explain the use of common text.</p>
<p>Also, is it different for a state, for example, to &#8220;use&#8221; bloggers to push a message than for ad-hoc groupings of individuals to join together to push a message in pursuit of socially beneficial aims? The UK and US governments (as well as China, Russia and others) have long &#8220;used&#8221; journalists and media to do what the 50-cent party do, and they are probably &#8220;using&#8221; blogs too. New tools, same old battle for hegemony.</p>
<p>A (wonderful!) site like GV can sit anywhere on the spectrum of editorial oversight between a neutral POV aggregator like Techmeme and a publication like the Economist. Exactly where it should sit is an interesting question, but as an amplifier of voices around the world, it should expect to carry some pieces which are wrong or perhaps even inauthentic. Better to err on the side of allowing more voices and be clear and honest about those pieces that you have doubts about, than to only carry those voices you can completely verify. There is no objectivity in media, only intersubjectivity. We can make our own minds up about what to take seriously.</p>
<p>I used to be production editor on YugoFax, which became the IWPR, and this publication aggregated independent (often small) media from around the region  as a counterpoint to increasingly separated media landscapes. On the whole, I think it did a good job, but even there, the line between authentic opinion, political positions and propaganda became slightly blurred sometimes, especially when some writers went on to become leaders of new states.</p>
<p>In an upside-down world where one of the best examples of genuinely independent media (Al-Jazeera) is actively targeted in conflict zones by the US military, whilst at home Fox viewers ironically believe A-J to be terrorist propaganda, it is important to avoid any mechanism to judge the validity or authenticity of individual voices on blogs or in MSM. After all, who can claim to be objective enough to do that, and how do you address the fact that (for example) many people in China have legitimately different views of what constitutes &#8220;truth&#8221; from independence-minded activists or writers in Tibet.</p>
<p>Intersubjectivity is the best principle we can apply here, and GV is a great example of that in action.</p>
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		<title>By: Ramon Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ramon Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 22:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ethan, On 9 September 2008, UNU-ONY is hosting a web cast (in conjunction with a live audience) on Aids and Africa. Would you be interested in please posting this to your audience?

Registration for the event is here: http://africaserieswebcast-affiliate1.eventbrite.com/

The one-day symposium &quot;The Social and Economic Dimensions of HIV/AIDS in Africa&quot; will examine the complex linkages between HIV/AIDS and reproductive and sexual behaviors, as well as the implication of HIV/AIDS on the economic well-being of communities, households and individuals in Africa. Presentation and discussion on the symposium will focus on range of topics from links and gaps in knowledge to the effectiveness of interventions and policies in Africa for HIV prevention. The symposium will also explore the scope and experiences in terms of the roll out of anti-retroviral therapies, with an emphasis on service delivery and behavioral responses among vulnerable groups, their children, and their communities to address the economic and social costs of HIV/AIDS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ethan, On 9 September 2008, UNU-ONY is hosting a web cast (in conjunction with a live audience) on Aids and Africa. Would you be interested in please posting this to your audience?</p>
<p>Registration for the event is here: <a href="http://africaserieswebcast-affiliate1.eventbrite.com/" rel="nofollow">http://africaserieswebcast-affiliate1.eventbrite.com/</a></p>
<p>The one-day symposium &#8220;The Social and Economic Dimensions of HIV/AIDS in Africa&#8221; will examine the complex linkages between HIV/AIDS and reproductive and sexual behaviors, as well as the implication of HIV/AIDS on the economic well-being of communities, households and individuals in Africa. Presentation and discussion on the symposium will focus on range of topics from links and gaps in knowledge to the effectiveness of interventions and policies in Africa for HIV prevention. The symposium will also explore the scope and experiences in terms of the roll out of anti-retroviral therapies, with an emphasis on service delivery and behavioral responses among vulnerable groups, their children, and their communities to address the economic and social costs of HIV/AIDS.</p>
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		<title>By: serendipityoucity :: Authenticity and user generated content! :: September :: 2008</title>
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		<dc:creator>serendipityoucity :: Authenticity and user generated content! :: September :: 2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 15:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] read this great post about the authenticity of Russian / Georgian content in blogs.&#160; Authenticity, reliability, and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] read this great post about the authenticity of Russian / Georgian content in blogs.&nbsp; Authenticity, reliability, and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: DJB Rizalist</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJB Rizalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 02:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A fascinating topic, Ethan. I guess it&#039;s that biznes of how the study of memes can be put on as firm a scientific basis as the study of genes.  I guess not even &quot;large-scale textual analysis&quot; is anywhere near the status of modern molecular genetics and microbiology.

Memetics is not yet science...it&#039;s uhmm, blogging!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A fascinating topic, Ethan. I guess it&#8217;s that biznes of how the study of memes can be put on as firm a scientific basis as the study of genes.  I guess not even &#8220;large-scale textual analysis&#8221; is anywhere near the status of modern molecular genetics and microbiology.</p>
<p>Memetics is not yet science&#8230;it&#8217;s uhmm, blogging!</p>
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		<title>By: Montreal SEO</title>
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		<dc:creator>Montreal SEO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 01:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If someone starts blogging based on major events in their local environment such as the Russia/Georgia conflict, it does not necessarily have to benefit the rest of the people who are reading the blog over the long-term. Just like any news story, there is major coverage during the period of &quot;heat&quot; and then it dies down. A wave of posts describing the same event might in-and-of-itself be the source of credibility one would seek to authenticate the story. It could be a select few who are trying to influence and convert others but it could also accurately reflect the personal beliefs of a significant majority.

Evaluating the authenticity of blogs, comments on blogs, and related influential social media will probably become more relevant and difficult as political influence gets increasingly tied into ubiquitous advances in technology. 

We might want to consider the blogger&#039;s level of transparency. Are the posts anonymous or written by people who are verifiable. The downside of the transparency in this case is that voicing one&#039;s opinion in many parts of the world will lead to trouble. 

Further one could consider endorsements. For example, a noted credible blogger could vouch for someone having an authentic perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If someone starts blogging based on major events in their local environment such as the Russia/Georgia conflict, it does not necessarily have to benefit the rest of the people who are reading the blog over the long-term. Just like any news story, there is major coverage during the period of &#8220;heat&#8221; and then it dies down. A wave of posts describing the same event might in-and-of-itself be the source of credibility one would seek to authenticate the story. It could be a select few who are trying to influence and convert others but it could also accurately reflect the personal beliefs of a significant majority.</p>
<p>Evaluating the authenticity of blogs, comments on blogs, and related influential social media will probably become more relevant and difficult as political influence gets increasingly tied into ubiquitous advances in technology. </p>
<p>We might want to consider the blogger&#8217;s level of transparency. Are the posts anonymous or written by people who are verifiable. The downside of the transparency in this case is that voicing one&#8217;s opinion in many parts of the world will lead to trouble. </p>
<p>Further one could consider endorsements. For example, a noted credible blogger could vouch for someone having an authentic perspective.</p>
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