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		<title>By: Ethan</title>
		<link>http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2009/04/17/deliver-us-from-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-1524855</link>
		<dc:creator>Ethan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Catherine, we&#039;re starting a study at Berkman on the #amazonfail data. I haven&#039;t looked at any of the data we&#039;ve retrieved, so I was reluctant to offer any interpretations - I also wrote this post as the twitter storm was very much in full flight and we were still retrieving data. I&#039;m not planning on being the lead researcher on the Amazonfail data, but will certainly share whatever gets discovered here.

I agree entirely that an English-only analysis of #pman tweets would be a disaster. Part of the next steps in any research on the data set - getting beyond the quantitative to the qualitative - involves working closely with Moldovan partners. Fortunately, several folks have offered their help in working through that data.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Catherine, we&#8217;re starting a study at Berkman on the #amazonfail data. I haven&#8217;t looked at any of the data we&#8217;ve retrieved, so I was reluctant to offer any interpretations &#8211; I also wrote this post as the twitter storm was very much in full flight and we were still retrieving data. I&#8217;m not planning on being the lead researcher on the Amazonfail data, but will certainly share whatever gets discovered here.</p>
<p>I agree entirely that an English-only analysis of #pman tweets would be a disaster. Part of the next steps in any research on the data set &#8211; getting beyond the quantitative to the qualitative &#8211; involves working closely with Moldovan partners. Fortunately, several folks have offered their help in working through that data.</p>
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		<title>By: Catherine Fitzpatrick</title>
		<link>http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2009/04/17/deliver-us-from-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-1524848</link>
		<dc:creator>Catherine Fitzpatrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: &quot;I don’t know what I think about donating mosquito nets…&quot;

I totally agree with you about this. There&#039;s a technologists&#039; fetish now lately with Africa, instigated primarily by high-profile figures like Jeffrey Sachs, that all you need to do is plunk down *things* or &quot;technological solutions&quot; like &quot;X number malaria nets with DDT&quot; or &quot;one laptop per child&quot; and you will have solved lots of problems. But of course this is totally simplistic and completely patronizing in ways we haven&#039;t patronized developing countries since the days of missionaries! It&#039;s merely a new kind of missionary zeal.

There&#039;s the problem first of all that if this Twittering aplusk takes his 10,000 nets -- who will deliver them? How? What is the capacity to absorb this sudden largess from the Twittering masses? The infrastructure may be overloaded. All best practices from humanitarian groups and the UN indicate that you never flood a humanitarian zone with *stuff* that might be hard to deliver or secure or will get stolen or broken when you have no *capacity* for really getting it to people. Money is always a better thing to be sending, and using local resources and supporting locals in business or in the marketplace to respond to a disaster is always better.

I agree that not only water programs are needed but another key thing: medical personnel, and their salaries. I&#039;d rather the Twitterers pay money into a group like MSF or UNICEF who have the expertise to deliver help skilfully in the way it is needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: &#8220;I don’t know what I think about donating mosquito nets…&#8221;</p>
<p>I totally agree with you about this. There&#8217;s a technologists&#8217; fetish now lately with Africa, instigated primarily by high-profile figures like Jeffrey Sachs, that all you need to do is plunk down *things* or &#8220;technological solutions&#8221; like &#8220;X number malaria nets with DDT&#8221; or &#8220;one laptop per child&#8221; and you will have solved lots of problems. But of course this is totally simplistic and completely patronizing in ways we haven&#8217;t patronized developing countries since the days of missionaries! It&#8217;s merely a new kind of missionary zeal.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s the problem first of all that if this Twittering aplusk takes his 10,000 nets &#8212; who will deliver them? How? What is the capacity to absorb this sudden largess from the Twittering masses? The infrastructure may be overloaded. All best practices from humanitarian groups and the UN indicate that you never flood a humanitarian zone with *stuff* that might be hard to deliver or secure or will get stolen or broken when you have no *capacity* for really getting it to people. Money is always a better thing to be sending, and using local resources and supporting locals in business or in the marketplace to respond to a disaster is always better.</p>
<p>I agree that not only water programs are needed but another key thing: medical personnel, and their salaries. I&#8217;d rather the Twitterers pay money into a group like MSF or UNICEF who have the expertise to deliver help skilfully in the way it is needed.</p>
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		<title>By: Catherine Fitzpatrick</title>
		<link>http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2009/04/17/deliver-us-from-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-1524835</link>
		<dc:creator>Catherine Fitzpatrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ethan, what is it that bothers you so much about Twitter? Is it that very uncontrollable social movements occur on it which technologists and experts cannot control and influence the way they can blogs and RSS feeds? 

It&#039;s curious, in this &quot;let&#039;s debunk Twitter&quot; article, you didn&#039;t mention #amazonfail even once. That really surprises me. #amazonfail is an example of Twitter gone absolutely rabidly wild. It is really handily debunked by sources you should respect like Wired and Techcrunch. There really was no plot to block gay books on amazon. Yet perhaps you are ambivalent about talking about this as a #twitterfail because it is a progressive cause, that used twitter to do something progressive, and if it messed up as badly as you say Moldova messed up, then that must say something is wrong with progressive movements, eh?

See, that&#039;s the dynamic you are setting up. Twitter is bad when used by anti-communist movements who are terribly discredited (so you say) but anybody else using them for progressive causes is ok even when they mess up! Surely you don&#039;t mean to imply that!

Your exegesis of #pman here suffers from one very gigantic problem: you are examining only the English language tweets. There are numerous #pman&#039;s in Romanian, as there are blogs, Facebook posts, and emails -- I don&#039;t read Romanian, but that simply has to be part of the study so I hope you will find a way to factor that in.

I don&#039;t see at all that if #pman contains some misinformation or deliberate disinformation on it that it would discredit this movement. All social movements are uneven and turbulent and filled with chaos, and all kinds of things happen in them, with manipulations all around. I don&#039;t think it takes away from the basic narrative here: young people used Twitter and other social media tools to oppose a communist-rigged election. 

Well, Ethan, now you have company, from the American Enterprise Instituite:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/20/AR2009042002817.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ethan, what is it that bothers you so much about Twitter? Is it that very uncontrollable social movements occur on it which technologists and experts cannot control and influence the way they can blogs and RSS feeds? </p>
<p>It&#8217;s curious, in this &#8220;let&#8217;s debunk Twitter&#8221; article, you didn&#8217;t mention #amazonfail even once. That really surprises me. #amazonfail is an example of Twitter gone absolutely rabidly wild. It is really handily debunked by sources you should respect like Wired and Techcrunch. There really was no plot to block gay books on amazon. Yet perhaps you are ambivalent about talking about this as a #twitterfail because it is a progressive cause, that used twitter to do something progressive, and if it messed up as badly as you say Moldova messed up, then that must say something is wrong with progressive movements, eh?</p>
<p>See, that&#8217;s the dynamic you are setting up. Twitter is bad when used by anti-communist movements who are terribly discredited (so you say) but anybody else using them for progressive causes is ok even when they mess up! Surely you don&#8217;t mean to imply that!</p>
<p>Your exegesis of #pman here suffers from one very gigantic problem: you are examining only the English language tweets. There are numerous #pman&#8217;s in Romanian, as there are blogs, Facebook posts, and emails &#8212; I don&#8217;t read Romanian, but that simply has to be part of the study so I hope you will find a way to factor that in.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see at all that if #pman contains some misinformation or deliberate disinformation on it that it would discredit this movement. All social movements are uneven and turbulent and filled with chaos, and all kinds of things happen in them, with manipulations all around. I don&#8217;t think it takes away from the basic narrative here: young people used Twitter and other social media tools to oppose a communist-rigged election. </p>
<p>Well, Ethan, now you have company, from the American Enterprise Instituite:<br />
<a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/20/AR2009042002817.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/20/AR2009042002817.html</a></p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 17:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to donate $100,000 to the charity Malaria No More when he reach 1 million followers. (However, Ethan Zuckerman pointed out that this charity&#8217;s initiative to donate bednet to Africans may be [...]</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 14:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] …My heart’s in Accra » Deliver us from Twitter… &quot;As I’m looking into the [role of Twitter in the] Moldova protests more closely, it’s clear that one of the interesting storylines is the use of the #pman tag for disinformation as well as for reporting on events on the ground. Jon Pincus notes that a hashtag is an open channel - in the same way that the #skittles tag, promoted by the company as a form of viral marketing ended up being used for NSFW posts, it’s hardly surprising that #pman would attrack trolls and disinformation. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] …My heart’s in Accra » Deliver us from Twitter… &quot;As I’m looking into the [role of Twitter in the] Moldova protests more closely, it’s clear that one of the interesting storylines is the use of the #pman tag for disinformation as well as for reporting on events on the ground. Jon Pincus notes that a hashtag is an open channel &#8211; in the same way that the #skittles tag, promoted by the company as a form of viral marketing ended up being used for NSFW posts, it’s hardly surprising that #pman would attrack trolls and disinformation. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Eszter</title>
		<link>http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2009/04/17/deliver-us-from-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-1520548</link>
		<dc:creator>Eszter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 13:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for documenting all this.  

Just yesterday, I was giving a talk at Columbia Business School on a meeting about User-Generated Content and decided to bring up the example of the Facebook/low grades phenomenon. I should put up a blog post about that like you wrote this down so that it could be documented.  Too many fleeting moments in all this and too easy to forget drawing lessons from them...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for documenting all this.  </p>
<p>Just yesterday, I was giving a talk at Columbia Business School on a meeting about User-Generated Content and decided to bring up the example of the Facebook/low grades phenomenon. I should put up a blog post about that like you wrote this down so that it could be documented.  Too many fleeting moments in all this and too easy to forget drawing lessons from them&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ethan</title>
		<link>http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2009/04/17/deliver-us-from-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-1520043</link>
		<dc:creator>Ethan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 02:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair point, Evgeny. Was making a bad in-power = conservative equation that probably reflects my view the last eight years of US politics rather than reality on the ground in Moldova. Then again, there&#039;s been a lot of debate about whether the Moldovan communists are actually leftists, or more pro-Russian conservatives. But you&#039;re right that it shouldn&#039;t have been a major emphasis for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair point, Evgeny. Was making a bad in-power = conservative equation that probably reflects my view the last eight years of US politics rather than reality on the ground in Moldova. Then again, there&#8217;s been a lot of debate about whether the Moldovan communists are actually leftists, or more pro-Russian conservatives. But you&#8217;re right that it shouldn&#8217;t have been a major emphasis for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Evgeny</title>
		<link>http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2009/04/17/deliver-us-from-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-1519924</link>
		<dc:creator>Evgeny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 01:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>listened to On the Media - all very insightful and reasonable, as always. however,  saying that the youth involved in the protests were somehow left-leaning is probably misleading  (strictly, speaking they were fighting the communists :-). I am pretty sure that most of them were actually right-of-center; so I don&#039;t know why you stressed the youth &quot;on the left&quot; in the podcast</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>listened to On the Media &#8211; all very insightful and reasonable, as always. however,  saying that the youth involved in the protests were somehow left-leaning is probably misleading  (strictly, speaking they were fighting the communists :-). I am pretty sure that most of them were actually right-of-center; so I don&#8217;t know why you stressed the youth &#8220;on the left&#8221; in the podcast</p>
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