Comments on: TSA Pre-Check, Fairness and Opaque Algorithms http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2012/09/05/tsa-pre-check-fairness-and-opaque-algorithms/ Ethan Zuckerman’s online home, since 2003 Thu, 31 May 2018 07:56:57 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.6 By: Richard http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2012/09/05/tsa-pre-check-fairness-and-opaque-algorithms/comment-page-1/#comment-6336214 Sun, 12 Apr 2015 01:49:14 +0000 http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/?p=4427#comment-6336214 TSA is an organization that thinks 1 person carrying 100 ml of a liquid is safe on this score, 1 person carrying 1000 ml is not, but ten people traveling together each carrying 100 ml are all safe. Theater, pure and simple. Don’t expect logic from an organization that is based on fear and, since it can never be perfect in its mission, will always try to expand its power.

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By: Dexx http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2012/09/05/tsa-pre-check-fairness-and-opaque-algorithms/comment-page-1/#comment-3189576 Sat, 28 Jun 2014 01:09:55 +0000 http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/?p=4427#comment-3189576 Yesterday I arrived back in Melbourne, Australia on a flight from Kuala Lumpur. I guess the plane had about 300+ passengers and most of them were foreign tourists and some of them were Australian citizens returning home. When we reached passport control, the passengers were split into two queues, foreign passport holders joined a HUGE queue of what looked like 500 people (included other flights), and the Australian citizens went to the non-existent queue with instant e-passport machines. I had met a couple of Taiwanese friends on the flight and said goodbye to them as they joined the end of their queue.

The fast track passport control was a wonderful experience, until….

I reached the baggage carousel. Gradually the bags filled up the carousel and were not being removed because they mainly belonged to the foreigners still waiting in the passport queue. Eventually the carousel became full and no more baggage came up the shute. So I waited more than an hour until enough foreigners had removed their baggage for the system to unclog itself, and eventually my bag appeared. My two Taiwanese friends had also caught up with me.

Moral of the story is that unless you have an express path through THE WHOLE system you will probably get stuck in a bottleneck anyway.

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By: MightyTravels http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2012/09/05/tsa-pre-check-fairness-and-opaque-algorithms/comment-page-1/#comment-2825951 Sat, 11 Jan 2014 02:29:22 +0000 http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/?p=4427#comment-2825951 I was so happy that my Boarding Pass showed TSE Pre lately. Saved a tone of time at busy HNL airport. The government has my fingerprint already – but that’s another story…

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By: CBGB http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2012/09/05/tsa-pre-check-fairness-and-opaque-algorithms/comment-page-1/#comment-2681342 Fri, 21 Dec 2012 20:46:20 +0000 http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/?p=4427#comment-2681342 TSA is paid by user fees not by tax dollars.

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By: A lire ailleurs du 19/10/2012 au 25/10/2012 « InternetActu.net http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2012/09/05/tsa-pre-check-fairness-and-opaque-algorithms/comment-page-1/#comment-2669962 Thu, 25 Oct 2012 17:21:33 +0000 http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/?p=4427#comment-2669962 […] des algorithmes. Il s’inspire d’un billet d’Ethan Zuckerman – http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2012/09/05/tsa-pre-check-fairness-and-opaque-algorithms/ – qui évoque son expérience du programme de pré-enregistrement de l’administration […]

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By: J.R. Ewing http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2012/09/05/tsa-pre-check-fairness-and-opaque-algorithms/comment-page-1/#comment-2669914 Sat, 20 Oct 2012 19:00:33 +0000 http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/?p=4427#comment-2669914 Something else I’ve also noticed – regrettably – since I was accepted is that not only is Pre- a system designed to buy off FF’s, it’s also a tool for TSA to threaten them with, too.

I went through a Pre- line in Houston a couple of weeks ago and got into a disagreement with the clerk running the x-ray machine. He and all of the other clerks at the checkpoint couldn’t stop telling me – repeatedly – that Pre- is a “privilege” and if I made too much trouble, I’d lose my privileges.

Basically, it’s a system something like the upper class in an old communist country: once you’re in the privileged class, you had better go along with the program or else, and if you don’t keep your head down we’ll will bust you back to being one of the “ordinary people.” Now, do you really want to complain that I’m unnecessarily spending too much time x-raying your bag? Do you?

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By: Grady http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2012/09/05/tsa-pre-check-fairness-and-opaque-algorithms/comment-page-1/#comment-2668631 Tue, 02 Oct 2012 16:35:43 +0000 http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/?p=4427#comment-2668631 TSA is a government agency, paid for by taxes. Airports are, by and large, public services paid for by taxes. That means passengers should be treated equally, regardless of how often they fly.

When airlines build and pay for their own airports and the security thereof, then they can treat different classes of passengers differently. But public money needs to treat us all the same.

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By: Ken Nemeth http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2012/09/05/tsa-pre-check-fairness-and-opaque-algorithms/comment-page-1/#comment-2668606 Tue, 02 Oct 2012 15:42:58 +0000 http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/?p=4427#comment-2668606 Three thoughts:

1. This is no different from any other frequent flyer perk. When I fly a lot over the year or fly first class, at almost every large airport around the world, I get to go to the front of the line. Internationally in some places if you pay enough money you’re escorted from the first class lounge directly to the gate and on the plane.
2. Truly affluent people avoide commercial airports altogether and take private jets without having to go through any of this.
3. This situation has been with us since the beginning of time. Tiered experiences based on wealth and influence. Why is everyone so upset about this particular iteration of it?

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By: Mo http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2012/09/05/tsa-pre-check-fairness-and-opaque-algorithms/comment-page-1/#comment-2668605 Tue, 02 Oct 2012 14:58:59 +0000 http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/?p=4427#comment-2668605 Anyone can sign up for Pre-Check without being a frequent flier. Anyone who signs up for the CBP Global Entry Program is automatically entered into Pre-Check. The cost for Global Entry is $100 for 5 years.

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By: Bill http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2012/09/05/tsa-pre-check-fairness-and-opaque-algorithms/comment-page-1/#comment-2668604 Tue, 02 Oct 2012 14:54:42 +0000 http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/?p=4427#comment-2668604 Sorry folks, just because you are qualified for Pre-Check doesn’t even mean you get in. I’ve only made it through once since my city(ATL)started it. The other 10+ times I’ve had to go the normal route.

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